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Post by jonksy on Jan 22, 2024 19:34:55 GMT
I think they should also have to have dogs called black person. I think I understand to what you elude Jonksy. Suffice to say, Only Samuel L, and Quentin have that privilage... The thought police have even struck on here Red. Without the dashes it changes to black person...
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2024 19:47:18 GMT
The thought police have even struck on here Red. Without the dashes it changes to black person.. Dashes! I'm not with you Jonksy. When I watch it it's the origional script. I wouldn't have posted in otherwise.
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Post by dappy on Jan 22, 2024 19:56:17 GMT
Being able to defeat Russia without nuclear exchange is vital. Tbh, I don't particularly want the west to defeat Russia. It would be a disaster that would inevitably go nuclear and besides, Putin wont be around for ever. But we must have the means to defend ourselves and more importantly any aggressor must know we have the means to defend ourselves. That means preparing for the worst not constantly cutting defence budgets while relying on NATO (US). The biggest blow to UK armed forces in the past 30 years is without a doubt the EU. Since the 1990's successive governments have slashed defence budgets while quietly planning for an EU army, the problem is every EU state has been doing exactly the same. The UK should and with a sense of urgency start a massive recruitment programme, a recruitment programme that includes young fit white men, and army manpower should be increased to a minimum of 150,000, or pre 1990 numbers. In my opinion lol. You know more about the army than I do Red. We have just seen that the Russian military have proven incapable of fighting across half of the neighbouring country let alone make their way across all of Europe to the UK. China is even further away. So if your aim is just to defend the UK, against what threat do you see it necessary to double the size of the army? You spoke also about race in respect of recruits. At a time when as I understand it the army is failing to fill its vacancies, it feels very unlikely that they are turning away anyone with two legs that meets their minimum standards. What makes you think they are? Incidentally I don’t think this has been commented on but it was mentioned earlier on that army recruitment has been contracted out to a private presumably profit making company. Why on earth?
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Post by jonksy on Jan 22, 2024 19:59:11 GMT
The thought police have even struck on here Red. Without the dashes it changes to black person.. Dashes! I'm not with you Jonksy. When I watch it it's the origional script. I wouldn't have posted in otherwise. The dashes between the letters Red.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2024 20:32:46 GMT
You know more about the army than I do Red. We have just seen that the Russian military have proven incapable of fighting across half of the neighbouring country let alone make their way across all of Europe to the UK. China is even further away. So if your aim is just to defend the UK, against what threat do you see it necessary to double the size of the army? You spoke also about race in respect of recruits. At a time when as I understand it the army is failing to fill its vacancies, it feels very unlikely that they are turning away anyone with two legs that meets their minimum standards. What makes you think they are? Incidentally I don’t think this has been commented on but it was mentioned earlier on that army recruitment has been contracted out to a private presumably profit making company. Why on earth? I know what you mean but tbh I don't know much about todays army. My time was 1977 to 1999, things have changed, however. The reason the Russian military has proved to be less than effective is because the majority, not all but the majority of Russian troops are rubbish. That's not me being partisan, it's the truth. I cant emphasize enough the importance of well trained professional and above all 'motivated' troops, and when I say professional I mean full time troops not TA. The problem is it's expensive. People should look at the armed forces as they look at insurance. The less you pay the less cover you get. As for recruitment, it's hardly a secret that although woke recruiting is trendy, it's not attracting the right candidates. Recruitment has been contracted out to Capita who openly advertise for black/trans/female/minority of any sort recruits, and have reported a recruitment shortfall of one third. And they wonder why young white men who should be the largest demographic in their sights, are not joining the armed forces. Unfortunately the chances are we wont realise just how important professional armed forces are, until it's too late.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 22, 2024 20:49:00 GMT
I'd have thought relatively low rates of unemployment are the main reason behind low recruitment into the armed forces.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2024 20:57:16 GMT
I'd have thought relatively low rates of unemployment are the main reason behind low recruitment into the armed forces. Monte, are you suggesting that applying to join the armed forces should only be considered as an alternative to unemployment?
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 22, 2024 21:01:43 GMT
I'd have thought relatively low rates of unemployment are the main reason behind low recruitment into the armed forces. Monte, are you suggesting that applying to join the armed forces should only be considered as an alternative to unemployment? I think it becomes a more attractive option when there are fewer jobs around. It's reasonably well paid and an improvement on a life on the dole.
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Post by dappy on Jan 22, 2024 21:14:08 GMT
You know more about the army than I do Red. We have just seen that the Russian military have proven incapable of fighting across half of the neighbouring country let alone make their way across all of Europe to the UK. China is even further away. So if your aim is just to defend the UK, against what threat do you see it necessary to double the size of the army? You spoke also about race in respect of recruits. At a time when as I understand it the army is failing to fill its vacancies, it feels very unlikely that they are turning away anyone with two legs that meets their minimum standards. What makes you think they are? Incidentally I don’t think this has been commented on but it was mentioned earlier on that army recruitment has been contracted out to a private presumably profit making company. Why on earth? I know what you mean but tbh I don't know much about todays army. My time was 1977 to 1999, things have changed, however. The reason the Russian military has proved to be less than effective is because the majority, not all but the majority of Russian troops are rubbish. That's not me being partisan, it's the truth. I cant emphasize enough the importance of well trained professional and above all 'motivated' troops, and when I say professional I mean full time troops not TA. The problem is it's expensive. People should look at the armed forces as they look at insurance. The less you pay the less cover you get. As for recruitment, it's hardly a secret that although woke recruiting is trendy, it's not attracting the right candidates. Recruitment has been contracted out to Capita who openly advertise for black/trans/female/minority of any sort recruits, and have reported a recruitment shortfall of one third. And they wonder why young white men who should be the largest demographic in their sights, are not joining the armed forces. Unfortunately the chances are we wont realise just how important professional armed forces are, until it's too late. I tend to agree with you that Russian soldiers are relatively poor quality. Given that they have struggled to make much impression on Ukraine, it seems extremely unlikely they will suddenly manage to make it across Western Europe to invade the UK. So why do we need a bigger army? As I say given that apparently the Army cannot fill its vacancies, surely they take anyone regardless of colour who meet their minimum standards. So I don’t understand how you think white guys are being discriminated against. Why does the army pay Capita to do the Army’s recruitment by the way. It’s really odd surely. Why not do it themselves? When did this happen?
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2024 21:15:45 GMT
Monte, are you suggesting that applying to join the armed forces should only be considered as an alternative to unemployment? I think it becomes a more attractive option when there are fewer jobs around. It's reasonably well paid and an improvement on a life on the dole. In my experience people who joined the army simply as an alternative to unemployment didn't last long. You have to want to be there. Personally, I've never been unemployed. However, joining the army was the best move I ever made. I wouldn't say I saw the world, but I saw some of it on four continents and I'd rip anyone's head off who tried to take that away from me. Civvies who look down on the army, or the forces, have no idea what they're talking about.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2024 21:29:57 GMT
I tend to agree with you that Russian soldiers are relatively poor quality. Given that they have struggled to make much impression on Ukraine, it seems extremely unlikely they will suddenly manage to make it across Western Europe to invade the UK. So why do we need a bigger army? As I say given that apparently the Army cannot fill its vacancies, surely they take anyone regardless of colour who meet their minimum standards. So I don’t understand how you think white guys are being discriminated against. Why does the army pay Capita to do the Army’s recruitment by the way. It’s really odd surely. Why not do it themselves? When did this happen? You ask why we need a bigger army, but we dont have an army at the moment. Anything less than 100,000 troops is considered to be a defence force rather than an army which is why the US are quite rightly questioning our military capability. Dappy, are you being intentionally dim? The reason army recruitment numbers are one third down is because Capita on behalf of the MoD are not recruiting from their biggest audience. Have you seen an army poster or advert lately? The message is not exactly subtle.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 22, 2024 21:35:17 GMT
I think it becomes a more attractive option when there are fewer jobs around. It's reasonably well paid and an improvement on a life on the dole. In my experience people who joined the army simply as an alternative to unemployment didn't last long. You have to want to be there. Personally, I've never been unemployed. However, joining the army was the best move I ever made. I wouldn't say I saw the world, but I saw some of it on four continents and I'd rip anyone's head off who tried to take that away from me. Civvies who look down on the army, or the forces, have no idea what they're talking about. I'm not looking down on it Red. I have great respect for the military. I'm just saying that it isn't an attractive career choice for most people. Sure, those that like it, love it but you're in a small minority.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2024 21:45:36 GMT
In my experience people who joined the army simply as an alternative to unemployment didn't last long. You have to want to be there. Personally, I've never been unemployed. However, joining the army was the best move I ever made. I wouldn't say I saw the world, but I saw some of it on four continents and I'd rip anyone's head off who tried to take that away from me. Civvies who look down on the army, or the forces, have no idea what they're talking about. I'm not looking down on it Red. I have great respect for the military. I'm just saying that it isn't an attractive career choice for most people. Sure, those that like it, love it but you're in a small minority. Fair enough.
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Post by dappy on Jan 22, 2024 21:49:03 GMT
I tend to agree with you that Russian soldiers are relatively poor quality. Given that they have struggled to make much impression on Ukraine, it seems extremely unlikely they will suddenly manage to make it across Western Europe to invade the UK. So why do we need a bigger army? As I say given that apparently the Army cannot fill its vacancies, surely they take anyone regardless of colour who meet their minimum standards. So I don’t understand how you think white guys are being discriminated against. Why does the army pay Capita to do the Army’s recruitment by the way. It’s really odd surely. Why not do it themselves? When did this happen? You ask why we need a bigger army, but we dont have an army at the moment. Anything less than 100,000 troops is considered to be a defence force rather than an army which is why the US are quite rightly questioning our military capability. Dappy, are you being intentionally dim? The reason army recruitment numbers are one third down is because Capita on behalf of the MoD are not recruiting from their biggest audience. Have you seen an army poster or advert lately? The message is not exactly subtle. I am not interested in terminology Red. I have asked you a couple of times what threat you perceive that would justify doubling the size of the army. You haven’t responded. I am beginning to think that reality may tell the story. I genuinely don’t know what you are talking about on the race thing. I can’t honestly say I watch them closely but I have seen nothing in the TV ads that would deter anyone (come to think of it they may have been navy but I believe they have the same problem. Could you give me an example?
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 22, 2024 21:53:50 GMT
I'm not looking down on it Red. I have great respect for the military. I'm just saying that it isn't an attractive career choice for most people. Sure, those that like it, love it but you're in a small minority. Fair enough. I come from a military family. I've lived on army bases. My Grandfather was a soldier for nearly 50 years. It's not a job I would ever have wanted to do though. I like my freedom.
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