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Post by Dogburger on Jan 21, 2024 16:49:23 GMT
I thought the idea of having nukes was so we don't have to have large conventional forces? The days of sending boys to their deaths in great numbers are long gone and more kit less people seems the order of the day . Having said that we do seem to have reduced our military capability to a small unit within NATO and is probably why we say "how high" when the USA says "jump" . Not that Im a expert in such matters (far from it ) but I would see a build up of the navy and air force as a priority for our future needs I forget the name of the individual now, it was so long ago, but a few years before the falklands debacle blew up a naval bloke at the admiralty piped up that it was all very well having cruise missiles but right now if half a dozen belligerent shitbags rocked up at a crisis point with a rowing boat and a couple of shotguns we would have no means of usefully engaging them. In the famous john nott ‘here today and gone tomorrow’ interview this very point was raised by Robin Day I thought the new defence handbook instructs to accompany said shitbags to shore and offer 4m* accommodations |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 22, 2024 9:12:04 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2024 11:29:46 GMT
If Ukraine falls Putin will invade Moldova, Poland, Finland, Latvia, large conventional forces are needed in order to deter conventional invasions. Otherwise, it's nuclear war. What Nato has that Ukraine doesn't is air power . Putin would be very foolish to invade another country and why should we play his game of trench warfare ? I agree Putin would be foolish to invade a NATO country but the outcome of any future war, wherever it may be, will depend on manpower. Without boots on the ground territory cannot be defended and as 'old fashioned' as it may sound defending territory means trenches. Air power is important but only ground troops can dominate the ground. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 22, 2024 11:41:59 GMT
Being able to defeat Russia without nuclear exchange is vital.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2024 12:08:55 GMT
Being able to defeat Russia without nuclear exchange is vital. Tbh, I don't particularly want the west to defeat Russia. It would be a disaster that would inevitably go nuclear and besides, Putin wont be around for ever. But we must have the means to defend ourselves and more importantly any aggressor must know we have the means to defend ourselves. That means preparing for the worst not constantly cutting defence budgets while relying on NATO (US). The biggest blow to UK armed forces in the past 30 years is without a doubt the EU. Since the 1990's successive governments have slashed defence budgets while quietly planning for an EU army, the problem is every EU state has been doing exactly the same. The UK should and with a sense of urgency start a massive recruitment programme, a recruitment programme that includes young fit white men, and army manpower should be increased to a minimum of 150,000, or pre 1990 numbers. In my opinion lol. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 22, 2024 12:15:30 GMT
I agree we need to recruit to pre 1990 numbers.
The thing is, Putin and the others in his regime who think as he does, see the west as being cowards.
The man wants to rebuild the Russian empire and so do they.
They will remain a threat after his death.
The Russian military is rebuilding as we speak and within five years will pose a serious threat to another country.
We could end up in a shooting war.
Without countries like ours having the ability to repel Russian forces conventionally there's more chance of something very bad happening.
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Post by Dogburger on Jan 22, 2024 14:13:44 GMT
Being able to defeat Russia without nuclear exchange is vital. Tbh, I don't particularly want the west to defeat Russia. It would be a disaster that would inevitably go nuclear and besides, Putin wont be around for ever. But we must have the means to defend ourselves and more importantly any aggressor must know we have the means to defend ourselves. That means preparing for the worst not constantly cutting defence budgets while relying on NATO (US). The biggest blow to UK armed forces in the past 30 years is without a doubt the EU. Since the 1990's successive governments have slashed defence budgets while quietly planning for an EU army, the problem is every EU state has been doing exactly the same. The UK should and with a sense of urgency start a massive recruitment programme, a recruitment programme that includes young fit white men, and army manpower should be increased to a minimum of 150,000, or pre 1990 numbers. In my opinion lol. Why white men ? I would have thought the recent arrivals who see the UK as the Promised land would be right up for the fight to protect it from our enemies . Prime front line cannon fodder if you ask me , anyway would make a change from sending the Scots and Irish to the front (don't get crushed in the stampede to Rwanda ) |
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Post by bancroft on Jan 22, 2024 14:14:53 GMT
We just tell the other NATO countries if you buy x no. ICBMS, X no. of fighters we will stand by you.
If not get out the red carpet for Russia.
Of course it does not work like that the US Dems are hemorrhaging states that use the US dollar for trade, former Soviet states would welcome the US if they think they do not have to pay more taxes for progress. If the USA gets more states in it's sphere it can offset the market potential for more need for US$ against what it is losing to the BRICs.
If not its debt will increasingly look nasty as the demand for the US$ falls and the affordability of those 900 military bases will come into question.
We are approaching the edge of the abyss whether this will be nuclear or a world divided by two fault lines is not clear.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2024 14:44:45 GMT
Tbh, I don't particularly want the west to defeat Russia. It would be a disaster that would inevitably go nuclear and besides, Putin wont be around for ever. But we must have the means to defend ourselves and more importantly any aggressor must know we have the means to defend ourselves. That means preparing for the worst not constantly cutting defence budgets while relying on NATO (US). The biggest blow to UK armed forces in the past 30 years is without a doubt the EU. Since the 1990's successive governments have slashed defence budgets while quietly planning for an EU army, the problem is every EU state has been doing exactly the same. The UK should and with a sense of urgency start a massive recruitment programme, a recruitment programme that includes young fit white men, and army manpower should be increased to a minimum of 150,000, or pre 1990 numbers. In my opinion lol. Why white men ? I would have thought the recent arrivals who see the UK as the Promised land would be right up for the fight to protect it from our enemies . Prime front line cannon fodder if you ask me , anyway would make a change from sending the Scots and Irish to the front (don't get crushed in the stampede to Rwanda ) Because young white men represent a huge demographic in this country but thanks to diversity targets they are discriminated against, which has resulted in the current recruitment crisis. The MoD should scrap woke, stop attempting to recruit women, trans people, blacks, minorities etc, and concentrate on their largest audience which in this country is young white men. |
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Post by Dogburger on Jan 22, 2024 17:10:40 GMT
Why white men ? I would have thought the recent arrivals who see the UK as the Promised land would be right up for the fight to protect it from our enemies . Prime front line cannon fodder if you ask me , anyway would make a change from sending the Scots and Irish to the front (don't get crushed in the stampede to Rwanda ) Because young white men represent a huge demographic in this country but thanks to diversity targets they are discriminated against, which has resulted in the current recruitment crisis. The MoD should scrap woke, stop attempting to recruit women, trans people, blacks, minorities etc, and concentrate on their largest audience which in this country is young white men. Fair enough I just think the other lot should be pitching as well . War has responsibilities you know to be inclusive and accessible to all  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2024 18:16:31 GMT
Because young white men represent a huge demographic in this country but thanks to diversity targets they are discriminated against, which has resulted in the current recruitment crisis. The MoD should scrap woke, stop attempting to recruit women, trans people, blacks, minorities etc, and concentrate on their largest audience which in this country is young white men. Fair enough I just think the other lot should be pitching as well . War has responsibilities you know to be inclusive and accessible to all I agree, and I have absolutely no objection to anyone regardless of race creed or colour applying to join the armed forces, but no one should get a shoe in because of their gender or skin colour. That sort of woke nonsense just lowers standards. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jan 22, 2024 18:22:28 GMT
We'll need to make sure that any small arms included in Vinny's shopping list are sized to fit female hands otherwise MoD will have another discrimination lawsuit to deal with.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 22, 2024 18:41:46 GMT
How times have changed - you would never get a senior officer (or anyone else) saying this anymore..  I don't know what effect these men will have upon the enemy, but, by God, they frighten me.
Duke of Wellington
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Post by jonksy on Jan 22, 2024 19:25:59 GMT
Fair enough I just think the other lot should be pitching as well . War has responsibilities you know to be inclusive and accessible to all I agree, and I have absolutely no objection to anyone regardless of race creed or colour applying to join the armed forces, but no one should get a shoe in because of their gender or skin colour. That sort of woke nonsense just lowers standards. I think they sould also have to have dogs called n-i-g-g-e-r |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2024 19:30:28 GMT
I agree, and I have absolutely no objection to anyone regardless of race creed or colour applying to join the armed forces, but no one should get a shoe in because of their gender or skin colour. That sort of woke nonsense just lowers standards. I think they should also have to have dogs called black person. I think I understand to what you elude Jonksy. Suffice to say, Only Samuel L, and Quentin have that privilage... |
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