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Post by thomas on Jan 20, 2024 15:00:48 GMT
Red , everyone outside of England mate already has a form of PR . So what are you talking about? Im simply pointing out if neither tories or labour are your cup of tea , and you want reform or ukip or whoever , then the current system is a barrier to those parties , and a barrier to any sort of political reform. That's all. your posts don't match up with your support of the current system. If you don't like pr, then fair enough. That's up to you. Don't moan when fptp and the current two party system means parties that get 12 % of the vote don't get 12 % representation , as they should in any normal functioning democracy. When you say everyone outside of England I assume you refer to the UK, in which case the vast majority of the UK electorate use FPTP. no im saying most countries in western and Central Europe use a pr system. Including the Celtic countries except for westminster elections. In the British islands , 60 % of the landmass use a pr system if you want to be pedantic about it. England is the anomaly. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 20, 2024 15:01:22 GMT
Seems to me that Tice's Reform is Starmer's best ally. If Reform carries out its threat to stand against every Tory candidate, many dissatisfied Tory voters are likely to vote Reform rather than LibDem or Labour The outcome could be the Conservatives out of office and Labour in power for at least two decades... Two decades lol. After two years of socialist Starmer's pro EU Labour government inflicting ever more immigration and net zero upon us, people will be crying out for conservative government. You'll see. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 20, 2024 15:04:06 GMT
When you say everyone outside of England I assume you refer to the UK, in which case the vast majority of the UK electorate use FPTP. no im saying most countries in western and Central Europe use a pr system. Including the Celtic countries except for westminster elections. In the British islands , 60 % of the landmass use a pr system if you want to be pedantic about it. England is the anomaly. Thomas, I care not a jot how people in the EU vote. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 20, 2024 15:06:18 GMT
no im saying most countries in western and Central Europe use a pr system. Including the Celtic countries except for westminster elections. In the British islands , 60 % of the landmass use a pr system if you want to be pedantic about it. England is the anomaly. Thomas, I care not a jot how people in the EU vote. red , I said Europe , which we are part of , not the EU. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 20, 2024 15:37:55 GMT
Greenland is mostly empty. The central belt of Scotland is almost as densely populated as London and the south east , Inverness has less rainfall than many of the northern English towns and cities , and Oban has less frost and ice than English towns in the south of englerlund. Vinny does like a good generalisation. I don't think the holiday home owners , and retirees will want illegals being housed in rural Scotland. They will end up in the central belt as normal . Seriously, we English would never wish such a thing on the Scots. It's just not cricket. We need somewhere where at least we are separated by a fair amount of water. The logical place though is Africa since it is mostly empty. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 20, 2024 15:38:13 GMT
Thomas, I care not a jot how people in the EU vote. red , I said Europe , which we are part of , not the EU. Thomas, I care not a jot how people in Europe vote.  |
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Post by thomas on Jan 20, 2024 15:42:55 GMT
The central belt of Scotland is almost as densely populated as London and the south east , Inverness has less rainfall than many of the northern English towns and cities , and Oban has less frost and ice than English towns in the south of englerlund. Vinny does like a good generalisation. I don't think the holiday home owners , and retirees will want illegals being housed in rural Scotland. They will end up in the central belt as normal . Seriously, we English would never wish such a thing on the Scots. It's just not cricket. We need somewhere where at least we are separated by a fair amount of water. The logical place though is Africa since it is mostly empty. I know baron. im just mainly responding to Vinny and his banal generalising about Scotland. We have indoor toilets , cars and computers and everything you know. The sun shines in Dundee , it rains incessantly in glesga. we wear normal clothes , don't run around in plaids with dirks in our socks ,and the haggis as everyone knows is a furless animal that is resident all year around in the gleniffer braes on the south side of the Clyde valley. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 20, 2024 15:44:36 GMT
red , I said Europe , which we are part of , not the EU. Thomas, I care not a jot how people in Europe vote. we , Scotland and England , are classed as part of Europe. You will have your big red shiny European citizenship back before you can say keir starmer next year reddy. Moving on though........ |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 20, 2024 15:54:33 GMT
Thomas, I care not a jot how people in Europe vote. we , Scotland and England , are classed as part of Europe. You will have your big red shiny European citizenship back before you can say keir starmer next year reddy. Moving on though........ The UK is geographically a part of Europe, not politically. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 20, 2024 16:09:28 GMT
we , Scotland and England , are classed as part of Europe. You will have your big red shiny European citizenship back before you can say keir starmer next year reddy. Moving on though........ The UK is geographically a part of Europe, not politically. so when I earlier said most countries in west and central Europe use pr , why did you automatically refer to the political supranational entity that is the EU? My point was earlier that I was talking in geographical terms .Come on red this isn't difficult! |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 20, 2024 17:34:02 GMT
The UK is geographically a part of Europe, not politically. so when I earlier said most countries in west and central Europe use pr , why did you automatically refer to the political supranational entity that is the EU? My point was earlier that I was talking in geographical terms .Come on red this isn't difficult! I mentioned the EU, Thomas, because the EU are very pro PR and the reason the EU is very pro PR is because it's practically impossible for any country, or state, to leave the EU under a PR system that produces three and four way coalitions that are constantly fighting and cant agree on anything. The EU likes EU states to have weak coalition PR governments, who'd a thunk it. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 20, 2024 18:00:00 GMT
so when I earlier said most countries in west and central Europe use pr , why did you automatically refer to the political supranational entity that is the EU? My point was earlier that I was talking in geographical terms .Come on red this isn't difficult! I mentioned the EU, Thomas, because the EU are very pro PR and the reason the EU is very pro PR is because it's practically impossible for any country, or state, to leave the EU under a PR system that produces three and four way coalitions that are constantly fighting and cant agree on anything. The EU likes EU states to have weak coalition PR governments, who'd a thunk it. come on to fuck red. Half the worlds nations use a system of pr , most are nothing to do with the EU and less than a quarter of the worlds nations use fptp , mainly as a result of being former British colonies. clearly it's the more popular system. pr has been in use since the nineteenth century . By all means dislike the EU , but if you are going to use the eu as a bogeyman for everything you disagree with then you are going to sound ridiculous. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 20, 2024 18:08:30 GMT
I mentioned the EU, Thomas, because the EU are very pro PR and the reason the EU is very pro PR is because it's practically impossible for any country, or state, to leave the EU under a PR system that produces three and four way coalitions that are constantly fighting and cant agree on anything. The EU likes EU states to have weak coalition PR governments, who'd a thunk it. come on to fuck red. Half the worlds nations use a system of pr , most are nothing to do with the EU and less than a quarter of the worlds nations use fptp , mainly as a result of being former British colonies. clearly it's the more popular system. pr has been in use since the nineteenth century . By all means dislike the EU , but if you are going to use the eu as a bogeyman for everything you disagree with then you are going to sound ridiculous. 'Come on to fuck' lol, I sense your Scottish dna is comming to the fore. Thomas, I don't give a flying fuck who uses PR, it's got nothing to do with the UK. Just because it's fashionable with EU loving lefties doesn't mean we should adopt it. We have been using this system since 1832 and it's served us well, and before you start, when I say 'we' I'm talking about the vast majority in the UK. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 20, 2024 18:27:02 GMT
Seems to me that Tice's Reform is Starmer's best ally. If Reform carries out its threat to stand against every Tory candidate, many dissatisfied Tory voters are likely to vote Reform rather than LibDem or Labour The outcome could be the Conservatives out of office and Labour in power for at least two decades...would we notice? |
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Post by thomas on Jan 20, 2024 18:50:32 GMT
come on to fuck red. Half the worlds nations use a system of pr , most are nothing to do with the EU and less than a quarter of the worlds nations use fptp , mainly as a result of being former British colonies. clearly it's the more popular system. pr has been in use since the nineteenth century . By all means dislike the EU , but if you are going to use the eu as a bogeyman for everything you disagree with then you are going to sound ridiculous. 'Come on to fuck' lol, I sense your Scottish dna is comming to the fore. Thomas, I don't give a flying fuck who uses PR, it's got nothing to do with the UK. Just because it's fashionable with EU loving lefties doesn't mean we should adopt it. We have been using this system since 1832 and it's served us well, and before you start, when I say 'we' I'm talking about the vast majority in the UK. im just pointing out that pr isn't some vast eu conspiracy red. Did you know it ws the yanks , who federalised the west German republic at the end of the war while its was the British alone who proposed a centralised parliament on fptp term , but were shouted down by everyone else? |
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