Are the Tories heading for electoral wipeout?.

I disagree with that. Take Germany for example, PR is allowing AfD to go from only being formed in 2012 to getting 10% of the seats in Parliament less than 10 years later. Whereas under FPTP any views outside of the liberal left mainstream are squeezed out - vote Tory, Labour or LibDem and you just get the same policies.

Not quite. You forget the First SNP mp was elected in the forties , and they had major breakthroughs in the sixties and seventies. All done under fptp.

I do agree that devolution helped , especially when the Scottish folk saw the competent governance of the Salmond led snp  , which led to the collosul breakthrough under sturgeon in 2015 , but the point was by the latter two thousands  , Scotland had had enough of  new labour. Scotland hadn't voted tory since the mid fifties .

So the point is no matter what the political system , when enough folk have had enough of the established parties , then their time is up and others take their place.

I see no reason why this couldn't happen in ?England , despite the establishment putting blocks in place to maintain the duopoly. 


 

I don't disagree . As far as im aware , starmers lack of interest in pr is yet another u turn that the previous labour leadership had championed I believe. The point is , it's within the electorates power to show these parties the way you want voting to happen in your country.

If enough folk stop falling into the fptp trap , voting dumb to keep dumber out , then other parties are going to get a look in one way or the other.  the feelings of apathy , helplessness and it can't be done are exactly how they want you to think to maintain the status quo.

ok but not according to the polls. Whats your thinking behind hung parliament then Vinny? Why do you think this the most likely outcome? put some meat on the bones of your statement.

That doesn't make any sense to me. It shows you aren't enthused by the two party first past the post system. why tactical vote when you should be enthused by the two party fptp system , by voting enthusiastically for one or the other.?

tactical voting is a vote against not for the system red.

in England maybe , not these islands . The oldest parliament in these islands is of course the Isle of Man parliament. Far older forms of democracy and laws of. mankind in these islands than that guff written by they wee French guys for French guys in 1215 in your country England.

I get what you are saying , but are you seriously comparing the snp vote in Scotland only , with the ukip vote uk wide in 2015? The snp took nearly 50 % of the vote in Scotland in 2015 , while ukips share across the uk was 12 % hence the reason the discrepancy.

You know this. comparing one half million votes , in one country , with over three million votes , spread across four does nothing for your argument as to why fptp is wrong. You need to be hitting concentrated vote shares per constituency of 20  / 25  % plus , ukip couldn't manage that.

You can't possibly compare the electorate of one country , with the electorate of a country ten times the population , it has to be done on percentages . Scotland as you know has a form of pr , which the snp has won in , and become the minority and majority government , while ukip traditionally has been nothing more than a pressure group bobbling along on about an average of 3 % or less.

The argument for pr surely should be ukip got 12 % of the vote , then they should have got 12 % representation . In Scotland , the snp took nearly 50 % of the vote , so they should have got 50 % of Scotland representation under pr at Westminster.so something like 30 snp seats  , compared to double that for ukip uk wide. 

A hung parliament is a possibility of course, but it does not look like the most likely outcome according to current polling, which looks to be showing anything from a working majority to a landslide for Labour.

To credibly argue that a hung parliament is the most likely outcome (and I wish it were) you would need to demonstrate a logical argument as to why the current polls are likely to be wrong or are likely to change. Without that, your statement that a hung parliament is most likely is sadly not what the polling evidence is telling us right now.