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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 12:01:26 GMT
You are a task master! The references are out there if you care to research but here are some. You have limited me to the Bible so that is where I have stayed John 5:22
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22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Matthew 19:28
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28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.(NB Do not comfort yourself on not perhaps being Jewish and that it doesn't count. We are all from the same stock and somewhere in our ancestral line we will fit) Luke 22:30
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30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.The last judgement is mentioned many times in the Bible both BC and AD. interestingly the stories are all very alike. Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father” This clearly states that the “ father “ will not be involved in the judicial team . Which contradicts your claim. “And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. This clearly states that ‘ the son of man ‘ will judge ‘ the 12 tribes ofIsrael’. At yet you have taken it upon yourself to attribute a different meaning. The quotes that you posted do not say what you claim that they do. You taken a few sentences ( obscure riddles ?)in the Bible and rehashed them to make up a meaning that contradicts the original. If your religious construct is correct , the ‘pious and good’ that were lucky enough to become full cult members will sit together and decide what kind of torture ( eternal or otherwise )to inflict on the people who were not full members . I agree the scriptures are difficult to understand, I haven't put my own interpretation on them at all and have already pointed out that I am in the minority here, but no matter. Suffice it to say that in the end there will be two Churches. Don't interpret that as literal churches because that is too limiting. Think of any organisation that people laud or follow. One of God and Jesus Christ and the other of the Devil. All that is really important is each person's trajectory. Do we live our lives in such a way that draws us towards Jesus with honesty, kindness, purity etc etc or towards the devil with cruelty, greed, love of wealth, dishonesty etc? We cannot serve God and mammon. There are countless good people throughout time who will be deemed 'good' in the eyes of God. It is important that we all decide which side we are on. That's all that matters in the end. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 4, 2024 12:14:12 GMT
Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father” This clearly states that the “ father “ will not be involved in the judicial team . Which contradicts your claim. “And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. This clearly states that ‘ the son of man ‘ will judge ‘ the 12 tribes ofIsrael’. At yet you have taken it upon yourself to attribute a different meaning. The quotes that you posted do not say what you claim that they do. You taken a few sentences ( obscure riddles ?)in the Bible and rehashed them to make up a meaning that contradicts the original. If your religious construct is correct , the ‘pious and good’ that were lucky enough to become full cult members will sit together and decide what kind of torture ( eternal or otherwise )to inflict on the people who were not full members . I agree the scriptures are difficult to understand, I haven't put my own interpretation on them at all and have already pointed out that I am in the minority here, but no matter. Suffice it to say that in the end there will be two Churches. Don't interpret that as literal churches because that is too limiting. Think of any organisation that people laud or follow. One of God and Jesus Christ and the other of the Devil. All that is really important is each person's trajectory. Do we live our lives in such a way that draws us towards Jesus with honesty, kindness, purity etc etc or towards the devil with cruelty, greed, love of wealth, dishonesty etc? We cannot serve God and mammon. There are countless good people throughout time who will be deemed 'good' in the eyes of God. It is important that we all decide which side we are on. That's all that matters in the end. Nope. They are quite easy to understand . They are Bronze Age myths . What we have is people like yourself saying ‘ that’s what is says but it’s doesn’t mean that , it means what I say it does’. You seem to be quite unaware of the absurdity. As for absurdities. Do you not see that in the idea that a being capable of creating the universe will sit on committee with its favoured cult members dishing out eternal punishment to the ones that broke the rules ? Can you really not see the unquestionable absolute absurdity in that ? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 13:17:33 GMT
I agree the scriptures are difficult to understand, I haven't put my own interpretation on them at all and have already pointed out that I am in the minority here, but no matter. Suffice it to say that in the end there will be two Churches. Don't interpret that as literal churches because that is too limiting. Think of any organisation that people laud or follow. One of God and Jesus Christ and the other of the Devil. All that is really important is each person's trajectory. Do we live our lives in such a way that draws us towards Jesus with honesty, kindness, purity etc etc or towards the devil with cruelty, greed, love of wealth, dishonesty etc? We cannot serve God and mammon. There are countless good people throughout time who will be deemed 'good' in the eyes of God. It is important that we all decide which side we are on. That's all that matters in the end. Nope. They are quite easy to understand . They are Bronze Age myths . What we have is people like yourself saying ‘ that’s what is says but it’s doesn’t mean that , it means what I say it does’. You seem to be quite unaware of the absurdity. As for absurdities. Do you not see that in the idea that a being capable of creating the universe will sit on committee with its favoured cult members dishing out eternal punishment to the ones that broke the rules ? Can you really not see the unquestionable absolute absurdity in that ? I am so sorry that you feel that way. It takes quite a lot more than a belief that Scripture is myth to understand what they mean. Far greater scholars than I have studied them in depth over many centuries right up to the present day to decide that they are profound and true, and as time passes prophesies declared long ago are being fulfilled. Perhaps an open mind is the better way forward. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 4, 2024 21:29:41 GMT
Nope. They are quite easy to understand . They are Bronze Age myths . What we have is people like yourself saying ‘ that’s what is says but it’s doesn’t mean that , it means what I say it does’. You seem to be quite unaware of the absurdity. As for absurdities. Do you not see that in the idea that a being capable of creating the universe will sit on committee with its favoured cult members dishing out eternal punishment to the ones that broke the rules ? Can you really not see the unquestionable absolute absurdity in that ? I am so sorry that you feel that way. It takes quite a lot more than a belief that Scripture is myth to understand what they mean. Far greater scholars than I have studied them in depth over many centuries right up to the present day to decide that they are profound and true, and as time passes prophesies declared long ago are being fulfilled. Perhaps an open mind is the better way forward. There are ‘ great scholars ‘ of Homer, Shakespeare and Tolkien that find all sorts of hidden meaning in the texts . There has been discussion of who or what Tom Bombadil really was. The difference is that those scholars don’t believe the character are historical figures . Religion is based in epiphany and intuition . You have to accept that it is true before you seriously study it. The absurdity of most religions is obvious and glaring so you need to ‘ feel’ religious doctrine …rational thought just won’t cut it . Don't get me wrong . If you want to believe these Bronze Age myths as fact instead of accepting that they are a series of allegories that tell us about ourselves then go ahead . I have no problem with a widow or parent taking solace in religion but the problem is people kill and die for what becomes nonsense as soon as any kind of rationality is applied to the narrative . A mind that can accept the reality of a being that created the universe sitting in a throne while helping a committee to judge people who didn’t get the message is anything but open . |
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