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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 17, 2024 8:45:47 GMT
they need to have it explained to them that crossing the english channel in search of a better life carries a significant risk of death. The picture currently painted is far too rosy. Not least thanks to the welcome people like you want hand on a golden plate to any who want to come here for any reason. Don't you think they already know the risk of crossing the Chanel and not being welcome by people like you but still come . Actually it is plainly obvious from all the stuff put out by tbe media that the fairy tale they are spun bears no reality to the dangers they face. I would take great pride in their being appraised right at the start of their insanely dangerous journey that an icy death and an unmarked grave as rotting fish food awaits them as this would almost certainly make them think twice about funding tbe peopke smugglers opulent lifestyles… |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 17, 2024 8:45:53 GMT
Of course its there Choice lots of people make Choices that can cause there death in the job they do but they still choose the job. No comparison as usaul lefty old bean. If the wankers came here but were ushered off to Rawandha rather than a 4 star hotel would they still come then? possibly they still come when there put in Detention centers Funny how you Right wingers are Supposed to be the party of law and Order bit Support illegal action by the law of this country . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 17, 2024 8:46:46 GMT
Funny how you losers moan about the No matter how many votes we get under FPTP system . That keeps the loony Element out of the house of Commons... Evidently not. So Steve you be happy for the far Right BMP or whatever name they go under have a repercentive in the HOC and you call yourself true Labour haha What, this BNP?   |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2024 8:47:56 GMT
Reform essentially has the same problem that we on the left have. No matter how many votes we get under FPTP we are pretty much guaranteed not to get any seats or at best one or two. So nothing changes. The more votes Reform get the more damage they do to the Tories without gaining any or many seats themselves. Many more people who might otherwise vote Reform or for a candidate of the left will not do so because of the inherent likelihood of their vote being wasted, an assumption which of course becomes a self fulfilling prophesy. I personally know left wingers who detest Starmer and those in charge of Labour yet are planning to vote Labour anyway as the only party that can beat the Tories. Hence the FPTP stitch up guarantees that nothing significant will ever change, people feeling compelled to try and make their votes count within the system to be heard at all. Until or unless there is a mass movement among the people not simply to stop bothering but to actually go out there and vote for anyone except the Tories or Labour, nothing will ever change I fear. Because they do not fear us not voting at all. What they fear is the distant prospect of us all en masse voting for anyone but them. Us doing so is the only way we will get real change I fear. Funny how you losers moan about the No matter how many votes we get under FPTP system . That keeps the loony Element out of the house of Commons. So Steve you be happy for the far Right BMP or whatever name they go under have a repercentive in the HOC and you call yourself true Labour haha ^^ Political illiteracy. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 17, 2024 8:48:57 GMT
Don't you think they already know the risk of crossing the Chanel and not being welcome by people like you but still come . Actually it is plainly obvious from all the stuff put out by tbe media that the fairy tale they are spun bears no reality to the dangers they face. I would take great pride in their being appraised right at the start of their insanely dangerous journey that an icy death and an unmarked grave as rotting fish food awaits them as this would almost certainly make them think twice about funding tbe peopke smugglers opulent lifestyles… What stuff put out by the Media would you like to post it .Most stuff I see put out by the Media says Immigrants are not welcome |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 17, 2024 8:50:51 GMT
Actually it is plainly obvious from all the stuff put out by tbe media that the fairy tale they are spun bears no reality to the dangers they face. I would take great pride in their being appraised right at the start of their insanely dangerous journey that an icy death and an unmarked grave as rotting fish food awaits them as this would almost certainly make them think twice about funding tbe peopke smugglers opulent lifestyles… What stuff put out by the Media would you like to post it .Most stuff I see put out by the Media says Immigrants are not welcome Would you put an unwelcome guest that broke into you house in a 4 star hotel lefty old bean? |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 17, 2024 8:52:42 GMT
Funny how you losers moan about the No matter how many votes we get under FPTP system . That keeps the loony Element out of the house of Commons... Evidently not. So Steve you be happy for the far Right BMP or whatever name they go under have a repercentive in the HOC and you call yourself true Labour haha What, this BNP? I said whatever name they go under Wether it be Ukip or Ukreform . Are you saying that The BMP have never winched about the No matter how many votes we get under FPTP system 😂 |
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Post by thomas on Jan 17, 2024 8:52:51 GMT
Good summary. Right now I don't think that the sheeple actively favour any party - they are all unpopular. I suspect a Labour win on a record low turnout, with the Tories losing votes to Reform and the Lib Dems treading water, if they're lucky. Overall, I think it's essential for Reform to do well for any meaningful democracy to survive. Ha ha ha, bias supported by bias, worthy comments by snowflakes and extreme thinkers. according to what passes as political thinking in your household , anyone who isn't part of the starmer blairite new labour cult is an extreme thinker. I would retort , stop following the small blairite herd , and think for yourself . The latest Redfield and wilton poll shows us what the squeezed middle is saying is the truth. A predicted 47% turnout , with labour taking 20.6% of the electorates vote isn't an endorsement for starmer and new labour , and by your reckoning shows that nearly four fifths of the electorate must therefore be extreme thinkers for not endorsing the new labour cult into government. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 17, 2024 8:53:59 GMT
Neither you nor I are fans of Labour currently. However, the sheeple of England and Wales seem so pissed off with the Tories that they seem minded to vote for whomever can defeat them wherever they live on the assumption that anything must be better. In lots of places this vote will go to Labour. North of the border - and correct me if I am wrong because I am seeing this from afar - recent corruption scandals and the departure of the popular Nicola Sturgeon seem to have damaged the SNP, causing some to look for an alternative anti-Tory vote. There is the danger of Labour gaining ground at the expense mostly of the SNP, merely by virtue of the fact that they are not the SNP or the Tories. In other words an anti-incumbency vote rather than any positive support for Labour. The sheeple throughout these islands are simple folk when it comes to politics. When they turn decisively against something or someone they tend to vote for whoever is best placed to defeat them, without actually thinking what it is they are supporting. I expect Labour gains in Scotland at the expense of the SNP, and a Tory collapse and Labour landslide south of the border. I do not want either of those things to happen but am afraid I suspect that they will. We would also normally expect in this situation for the Lib Dems to make major gains at the expense of the Tories wherever they are the main challengers as they often are here in South West England. But a wild card has been thrown into the pack in regards them. Their leader Ed Davey has been exposed as up to his neck in it in the subpostmasters scandal, having decisively sided with the post office against them. A former subpostmaster is planning to stand against him in his own constituency on that very issue. This as an issue which resonates with the public right now might blow over or it might not. But it has the potential to damage the Lib Dem leader personally and indirectly the party he leads. This could save a few seats for the Tories or it could boost Labour support in one or two places or both. Or it might have very little impact. I cannot know with any certainty so see this is something of a wild card that the Lib Dems must surely be crapping their pants over. Neither you nor I are fans of Labour currently Just Shows how you on the Far left have things in common with the enemy of the true left the right wingers can you translate this for me? who is the true left , and who is the enemy of the true left. over to you? |
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Post by thomas on Jan 17, 2024 8:56:43 GMT
Reform essentially has the same problem that we on the left have. No matter how many votes we get under FPTP we are pretty much guaranteed not to get any seats or at best one or two. So nothing changes. The more votes Reform get the more damage they do to the Tories without gaining any or many seats themselves. Many more people who might otherwise vote Reform or for a candidate of the left will not do so because of the inherent likelihood of their vote being wasted, an assumption which of course becomes a self fulfilling prophesy. I personally know left wingers who detest Starmer and those in charge of Labour yet are planning to vote Labour anyway as the only party that can beat the Tories. Hence the FPTP stitch up guarantees that nothing significant will ever change, people feeling compelled to try and make their votes count within the system to be heard at all. Until or unless there is a mass movement among the people not simply to stop bothering but to actually go out there and vote for anyone except the Tories or Labour, nothing will ever change I fear. Because they do not fear us not voting at all. What they fear is the distant prospect of us all en masse voting for anyone but them. Us doing so is the only way we will get real change I fear. Funny how you losers moan about the No matter how many votes we get under FPTP system . That keeps the loony Element out of the house of Commons. So Steve you be happy for the far Right BMP or whatever name they go under have a repercentive in the HOC and you call yourself true Labour haha please don't be so fucking ridiculous. Steve is on here trying to evaluate and scrutinise the current uk political situation. Ive known Steve online for many years , and the idea he is somehow endorsing the far right is patently fucking absolutely ridiculous. read his post , and try and understand what he is saying and not what you think the is saying. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 17, 2024 8:56:47 GMT
What stuff put out by the Media would you like to post it .Most stuff I see put out by the Media says Immigrants are not welcome Would you put an unwelcome guest that broke into you house in a 4 star hotel lefty old bean? You don't know if anyone going to Commit a Crime do you before they Commit it . Anyway is this coming from someone who didn't comdem someone who pushed for the Knighthood of to Known Nounces |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 17, 2024 8:58:45 GMT
Would you put an unwelcome guest that broke into you house in a 4 star hotel lefty old bean? Anyway is this coming from soT..meone who didn't comdem someone who pushed for the Knighthood of to Known Nounces They had allready commited a crime by breaking into your house lefty old bean |
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Post by thomas on Jan 17, 2024 9:01:09 GMT
Funny how you losers moan about the No matter how many votes we get under FPTP system . That keeps the loony Element out of the house of Commons... Evidently not. So Steve you be happy for the far Right BMP or whatever name they go under have a repercentive in the HOC and you call yourself true Labour haha What, this BNP? There is some truth in that squeezed middle. The BNP as I understand them were economically to the left and socially right wing , but the crux of the matter to why they mopped up a lot of the old labour vote is that many of the white working class felt totally abandoned by new labour. People like trade union activists for example Paul embery have talked about this factor in great depth for a number of years. Still its easier to sit and scream racist and extremist rather than understand why your party no longer commands the white working class support as it once did. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 17, 2024 9:02:41 GMT
Funny how you losers moan about the No matter how many votes we get under FPTP system . That keeps the loony Element out of the house of Commons. So Steve you be happy for the far Right BMP or whatever name they go under have a repercentive in the HOC and you call yourself true Labour haha ^^ Political illiteracy. And not just political.  |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 17, 2024 9:02:47 GMT
Neither you nor I are fans of Labour currently Just Shows how you on the Far left have things in common with the enemy of the true left the right wingers can you translate this for me? who is the true left , and who is the enemy of the true left. over to you? the true left are them that stand against the right wing element of politics . That's who the true left are That someing you and Steve are not seeing you always agree with the Right wing element on this Forum. |
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