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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2024 19:03:30 GMT
The strikes had the same factors in play as today. Several years of pay restraint in the public sector with pay rises well below inflation, and this at a time when the unions were far more powerful than now. The government in some sense provoked the strikes by trying to be too tough on pay. But that is history now. You called me hard left. I challenged you to name a hard left policy I supported by way of proof. Thus far you have been unable to. Trying to rehash the winter of discontent as if I was some sort of hard left citizen Smith flying picket at the time really is rather silly. Especially considering that I was only 13 at the time and didnt then have any political views at all, beyond my dislike of school uniform and homework, lol No I know that you would of only been young at that time I know your younger then me . Has me trying to push your hard left your a Corbyn supporter need i say anymore. And if you say Corbyn not far left just look at most of them he had on his front benchs Yes, you do need say more. I asked you to name one hard left policy I have ever supported to back up your lie about me being hard left and it is telling that you cannot. Yes I supported Labour when Corbyn was leader but primarily because of the policy agenda in the 2017 manifesto, most of which I supported. So I will help you. Pick any policy from that manifesto which I supported and which was hard left. David Owen at the time thought it was less left wing than his SDP manifestoes in the 80s. But go on, name a policy I have ever supported which is hard left. The fact that I supported Labour when Corbyn was leader no more makes me hard left than the fact I supported Labour in 97 and 01 makes me a Blairite |
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Post by thomas on Jan 17, 2024 19:13:57 GMT
The strikes had the same factors in play as today. Several years of pay restraint in the public sector with pay rises well below inflation, and this at a time when the unions were far more powerful than now. The government in some sense provoked the strikes by trying to be too tough on pay. But that is history now. You called me hard left. I challenged you to name a hard left policy I supported by way of proof. Thus far you have been unable to. Trying to rehash the winter of discontent as if I was some sort of hard left citizen Smith flying picket at the time really is rather silly. Especially considering that I was only 13 at the time and didnt then have any political views at all, beyond my dislike of school uniform and homework, lol No I know that you would of only been young at that time I know your younger then me . Has me trying to push your hard left your a Corbyn supporter need i say anymore. And if you say Corbyn not far left just look at most of them he had on his front benchs hang on a second. What do you mean Steve is a Corbyn supporter? I didnt vote for Jeremy Corbyn or his party , but in 2017 , quite clearly Corbyn was very popular with voters , because he took the biggest share of voters for labour since 1997. so Steve was one of many who voted for Corby's labour , hardly a small hard left minority as you tend to try and paint. Starmer meanwhile is projected to take a smaller share of the electorates vote than Corbyn did when he took labour to one of its worst defeats in its history in 2019. Perhaps we could say Steve is a centre left majority who supported Corby's labour , and you the small centre right minority practically everyone hates. It was the right wing blairites if you remember who lost Scotland for the Labour Party , not Corbyn. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 18, 2024 13:09:02 GMT
No I know that you would of only been young at that time I know your younger then me . Has me trying to push your hard left your a Corbyn supporter need i say anymore. And if you say Corbyn not far left just look at most of them he had on his front benchs Yes, you do need say more. I asked you to name one hard left policy I have ever supported to back up your lie about me being hard left and it is telling that you cannot. Yes I supported Labour when Corbyn was leader but primarily because of the policy agenda in the 2017 manifesto, most of which I supported. So I will help you. Pick any policy from that manifesto which I supported and which was hard left. David Owen at the time thought it was less left wing than his SDP manifestoes in the 80s. But go on, name a policy I have ever supported which is hard left. The fact that I supported Labour when Corbyn was leader no more makes me hard left than the fact I supported Labour in 97 and 01 makes me a Blairite Of course it be impossible for me To point out what you supported But yet you Never stop attacking New labour you say you Support what you call old Labour interesting. Has for looking at the Mainifesto I've looked while I agree on some increased taxation and cutting loopholes on the Wealthy. Corbym preposterous policy of increasing taxation on a wide range . Will be disaster for the Economy . And it will be the Working class that bears the Blunt of it . To propose such a wide range of tax increases on the weathly Is hard left. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 18, 2024 13:22:46 GMT
Yes, you do need say more. I asked you to name one hard left policy I have ever supported to back up your lie about me being hard left and it is telling that you cannot. Yes I supported Labour when Corbyn was leader but primarily because of the policy agenda in the 2017 manifesto, most of which I supported. So I will help you. Pick any policy from that manifesto which I supported and which was hard left. David Owen at the time thought it was less left wing than his SDP manifestoes in the 80s. But go on, name a policy I have ever supported which is hard left. The fact that I supported Labour when Corbyn was leader no more makes me hard left than the fact I supported Labour in 97 and 01 makes me a Blairite Of course it be impossible for me To point out what you supported But yet you Never stop attacking New labour you say you Support what you call old Labour interesting. Has for looking at the Mainifesto I've looked while I agree on some increased taxation and cutting loopholes on the Wealthy. Corbym preposterous policy of increasing taxation on a wide range . Will be disaster for the Economy . And it will be the Working class that bears the Blunt of it . To propose such a wide range of tax increases on the weathly Is hard left. errr.......just as new labour never stop attacking Corbyn and the old socialist left . It works both ways. What do you mean it will be the working class that bears the brunt of it? im working class , and under new labour , I saw my standard of living fall last time around , was made redundant three times in the first two terms of Blairs presidency , and never recovered till labour were eventually booted out of power both at Holyrood and then Westminster. I saw mass immigration increase , cost of living massively increase , taxes massively increase , debts increase , unemployment increase and you have the cheek to tell us a non blairite administration would make things worse? you are funny see2. no wonder fourth fifths of the electorate don't support starmer and his rehashing of blairism. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 18, 2024 15:01:28 GMT
Of course it be impossible for me To point out what you supported But yet you Never stop attacking New labour you say you Support what you call old Labour interesting. Has for looking at the Mainifesto I've looked while I agree on some increased taxation and cutting loopholes on the Wealthy. Corbym preposterous policy of increasing taxation on a wide range . Will be disaster for the Economy . And it will be the Working class that bears the Blunt of it . To propose such a wide range of tax increases on the weathly Is hard left. errr.......just as new labour never stop attacking Corbyn and the old socialist left . It works both ways. What do you mean it will be the working class that bears the brunt of it? im working class , and under new labour , I saw my standard of living fall last time around , was made redundant three times in the first two terms of Blairs presidency , and never recovered till labour were eventually booted out of power both at Holyrood and then Westminster. I saw mass immigration increase , cost of living massively increase , taxes massively increase , debts increase , unemployment increase and you have the cheek to tell us a non blairite administration would make things worse? you are funny see2. no wonder fourth fifths of the electorate don't support starmer and his rehashing of blairism. You are joking Armt you a Blairight Administration. Would make things worse Mass immigration increase in the cost of living depts increase. Taxes Massively increase . Are you Blind to what's going on in this Country? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2024 18:27:22 GMT
Yes, you do need say more. I asked you to name one hard left policy I have ever supported to back up your lie about me being hard left and it is telling that you cannot. Yes I supported Labour when Corbyn was leader but primarily because of the policy agenda in the 2017 manifesto, most of which I supported. So I will help you. Pick any policy from that manifesto which I supported and which was hard left. David Owen at the time thought it was less left wing than his SDP manifestoes in the 80s. But go on, name a policy I have ever supported which is hard left. The fact that I supported Labour when Corbyn was leader no more makes me hard left than the fact I supported Labour in 97 and 01 makes me a Blairite Of course it be impossible for me To point out what you supported But yet you Never stop attacking New labour you say you Support what you call old Labour interesting. Has for looking at the Mainifesto I've looked while I agree on some increased taxation and cutting loopholes on the Wealthy. Corbym preposterous policy of increasing taxation on a wide range . Will be disaster for the Economy . And it will be the Working class that bears the Blunt of it . To propose such a wide range of tax increases on the weathly Is hard left. Nonsense. The increases for the top 5 percent proposed were pretty modest, with rates nothing like they were in the 70s or indeed the first ten years in power of Thatcher. If you are trying to claim that any tax increases at all for higher earners is hard left, you are frankly stretching it. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 18, 2024 19:28:01 GMT
Of course it be impossible for me To point out what you supported But yet you Never stop attacking New labour you say you Support what you call old Labour interesting. Has for looking at the Mainifesto I've looked while I agree on some increased taxation and cutting loopholes on the Wealthy. Corbym preposterous policy of increasing taxation on a wide range . Will be disaster for the Economy . And it will be the Working class that bears the Blunt of it . To propose such a wide range of tax increases on the weathly Is hard left. Nonsense. The increases for the top 5 percent proposed were pretty modest, with rates nothing like they were in the 70s or indeed the first ten years in power of Thatcher. If you are trying to claim that any tax increases at all for higher earners is hard left, you are frankly stretching it. I'm not claiming any tax increases for high earnings is far left. What I said What tax increases corbyn was going introduce is far left . Let's look at them and see if it's just the 5%increase . Labour would bring in a windfall tax on oil and gas companies raising £11bn, based on their contribution to climate change since 1996. I agree An increase in income tax for those earning more than £80,000 would also be introduced. I agree but Dosent say Jhow much increase could be more then the 5%☆you say Corporation tax cuts made since 2010 would be reversed. Stretching to far Capital gains and dividends tax would be brought into line with income tax rates. Again Stretching it Inheritance tax cuts introduced by George Osborne would be reversed Again stretching it . That's 6 forms of tax increases for the high earners he wanted to introduce. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jan 18, 2024 19:52:01 GMT
Nonsense. The increases for the top 5 percent proposed were pretty modest, with rates nothing like they were in the 70s or indeed the first ten years in power of Thatcher. If you are trying to claim that any tax increases at all for higher earners is hard left, you are frankly stretching it. I'm not claiming any tax increases for high earnings is far left. What I said What tax increases corbyn was going introduce is far left . Let's look at them and see if it's just the 5%increase . Labour would bring in a windfall tax on oil and gas companies raising £11bn, based on their contribution to climate change since 1996. I agree An increase in income tax for those earning more than £80,000 would also be introduced. I agree but Dosent say Jhow much increase could be more then the 5%☆you say Corporation tax cuts made since 2010 would be reversed. Stretching to far Capital gains and dividends tax would be brought into line with income tax rates. Again Stretching it Inheritance tax cuts introduced by George Osborne would be reversed Again stretching it . That's 6 forms of tax increases for the high earners he wanted to introduce. Inheritance tax has bugger all to do with ''high earners'' |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2024 20:19:13 GMT
Nonsense. The increases for the top 5 percent proposed were pretty modest, with rates nothing like they were in the 70s or indeed the first ten years in power of Thatcher. If you are trying to claim that any tax increases at all for higher earners is hard left, you are frankly stretching it. I'm not claiming any tax increases for high earnings is far left. What I said What tax increases corbyn was going introduce is far left . Let's look at them and see if it's just the 5%increase . Labour would bring in a windfall tax on oil and gas companies raising £11bn, based on their contribution to climate change since 1996. I agree An increase in income tax for those earning more than £80,000 would also be introduced. I agree but Dosent say Jhow much increase could be more then the 5%☆you say Corporation tax cuts made since 2010 would be reversed. Stretching to far Capital gains and dividends tax would be brought into line with income tax rates. Again Stretching it Inheritance tax cuts introduced by George Osborne would be reversed Again stretching it . That's 6 forms of tax increases for the high earners he wanted to introduce. None of which taken in totality constitutes far left. If thats the best you can do it really is pathetic. Windfall taxes were actually used by New Labour. And bringing capital gains taxes into line with income taxes makes a lot of sense. You might not agree with it. But just because you disagree with it does not make it far left. You are being ridiculous if this truly is the best you can do. Workers of the world unite. You have nothing to lose but the prospect of a few modest tax increases on the wealthiest. Rise up on the barricades, storm the citadels of power, dictatorship of the proletariat, and all that guff it definitely isnt. lol. You centrist types are far worse than right wingers in trying to paint anything moderately left wing as somehow trotskyism unleashed. It tends to be you lot - not rightwingers - who are forever branding us "trots" for supporting policies that would have been considered on the right of the party pre-Blair. They have effectively shifted the Overton Window so far to the right that anything moderately left is now beyond the pale. And you centrist goons have willingly gone along with it. Most genuine left wingers are now outside your party, shut out by the two party stitch up. Most people now hold Labour in as much contempt as they do the Tories. But you centrist types continue to bury your heads in the sand, pretending everyone to your left is some sort of marxist nutter whilst everyone to your right is some kind of phobe Go tell it to someone less inclined to laugh at you. |
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