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Post by see2 on Jan 17, 2024 10:50:21 GMT
Off the top of my head , you called both darling and to the left trolls , implied sheepy was a far left islamo fascist anti semite , implied im a nazi( national socialist) and much more if one could care to take the time to peruse the drivel that passes for your contribution to this site.... To be fair, at least two of those are true. But anyway, this thread's gone tits up and the OP is clearly unable to prove his point so I guess this one's done. It would appear to be the case that you will now be ignoring many of your own posts LOL |
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Post by Orac on Jan 17, 2024 10:53:46 GMT
Sorry didn't see the post below what you said so you think it's brain washing because it doesn't agree with your opion on immigration It's political mind-washing because the targets are children and the values advertised are politically controversial. It is also publicly-funded political mind-washing. You shouldn't be able to use other people's money to advertise you personal political beliefs to children and neither should teachers - it's theft. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2024 11:05:56 GMT
Sorry didn't see the post below what you said so you think it's brain washing because it doesn't agree with your opion on immigration It's political mind-washing because the targets are children and the values advertised are politically controversial. It is also publicly-funded political mind-washing. You shouldn't be able to use other people's money to advertise you personal political beliefs to children and neither should teachers - it's theft. This is how it worked under USSR and even under Fascism, only a little more severe. It's sick, but this is how they operate. It's probably why they rely on childish namecalling whilst being encouraged by the very people who dishonestly claim that it's a no-no. Obviously only a no-no for those other people. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 17, 2024 11:22:03 GMT
Really ? I find that surprising. Maybe bullshit like this then … We should make it a crime to allow teachers to brainwash our kids. That way there would be far less of you, and far less of the sort of poster like the one we had on the previous forum who openly admitted going over to Le Jungle and suggesting those intending to enter britain illegally try their hand at ports he knew to be less heavily scrutinised …,  Sorry don't understand what you posted is that something posted on the media Or is it aimed at me . Just to let you know I'm 60yrs old and left school In 1980 It is a newsletter. It is sent by a group of fundamentalist open border shitheads who have found a way to brainwash our children into thinking their school should embrace the political dogma pushed by the left of being a place of sanctuary for every child raping illegal with erupted wisdom teeth pretending to be a ten year old as soon as the RNLI pull him off the rubber boat The image clearly shows the organisation and the campaigns it runs I find your attempt to nit understand a word if it somewhat less than credible. It is after all aimed at junior school chikdren with a reading age of about 8 |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 17, 2024 11:35:55 GMT
Sorry didn't see the post below what you said so you think it's brain washing because it doesn't agree with your opion on immigration and you talk about Brain Washingle and you want everyone to agree with you lol. No As you said in the post immediately preceding, you are of an age similar to, though slightly younger than me. You will therefore recall when it was against the law for teachers to indoctrinate children with political dogma My specific point, backed up by the evidence posted, is that today the left leaning are free to peddle their bullshit to chikdren in juniir school and below. It’s sod all to do with children being taught opinion i do not agree with. It is entirely to do with the fact that few primary school children, and for that matter few secondary school children, have the necessary intelligence and advancement to see polutical dogma of any kind for what it is. Fortunately my grand daughter has always been particularly bright and has seen through the bullshit she has been peddled. I merely wish the rest of her class and every other schoolchild to enjoy a dogma free environment Do you have a problem with that ? It rather sounds like you do … |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 17, 2024 11:50:39 GMT
Sorry didn't see the post below what you said so you think it's brain washing because it doesn't agree with your opion on immigration and you talk about Brain Washingle and you want everyone to agree with you lol. No As you said in the post immediately preceding, you are of an age similar to, though slightly younger than me. You will therefore recall when it was against the law for teachers to indoctrinate children with political dogma My specific point, backed up by the evidence posted, is that today the left leaning are free to peddle their bullshit to chikdren in juniir school and below. It’s sod all to do with children being taught opinion i do not agree with. It is entirely to do with the fact that few primary school children, and for that matter few secondary school children, have the necessary intelligence and advancement to see polutical dogma of any kind for what it is. Fortunately my grand daughter has always been particularly bright and has seen through the bullshit she has been peddled. I merely wish the rest of her class and every other schoolchild to enjoy a dogma free environment Do you have a problem with that ? It rather sounds like you do …Ofsted boss warns that regulator is powerless to sanction schools teaching children as young as 12 about 'gender unicorns' and anal sex - after investigation into 'age-inappropriate' sex-ed classes Ofsted chief inspector Amanda Spielman warned the regulator was 'powerless' Comes after investigation revealed schools teaching 'age-inappropriate' sex ed
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2024 11:57:01 GMT
Neither you nor I are fans of Labour currently. However, the sheeple of England and Wales seem so pissed off with the Tories that they seem minded to vote for whomever can defeat them wherever they live on the assumption that anything must be better. In lots of places this vote will go to Labour. North of the border - and correct me if I am wrong because I am seeing this from afar - recent corruption scandals and the departure of the popular Nicola Sturgeon seem to have damaged the SNP, causing some to look for an alternative anti-Tory vote. There is the danger of Labour gaining ground at the expense mostly of the SNP, merely by virtue of the fact that they are not the SNP or the Tories. In other words an anti-incumbency vote rather than any positive support for Labour. The sheeple throughout these islands are simple folk when it comes to politics. When they turn decisively against something or someone they tend to vote for whoever is best placed to defeat them, without actually thinking what it is they are supporting. I expect Labour gains in Scotland at the expense of the SNP, and a Tory collapse and Labour landslide south of the border. I do not want either of those things to happen but am afraid I suspect that they will. We would also normally expect in this situation for the Lib Dems to make major gains at the expense of the Tories wherever they are the main challengers as they often are here in South West England. But a wild card has been thrown into the pack in regards them. Their leader Ed Davey has been exposed as up to his neck in it in the subpostmasters scandal, having decisively sided with the post office against them. A former subpostmaster is planning to stand against him in his own constituency on that very issue. This as an issue which resonates with the public right now might blow over or it might not. But it has the potential to damage the Lib Dem leader personally and indirectly the party he leads. This could save a few seats for the Tories or it could boost Labour support in one or two places or both. Or it might have very little impact. I cannot know with any certainty so see this is something of a wild card that the Lib Dems must surely be crapping their pants over. Neither you nor I are fans of Labour currently Just Shows how you on the Far left have things in common with the enemy of the true left the right wingers That you think I am far left itself demonstrates a massive part of the problem, that anything remotely socialist or social democratic is portrayed as extremist by people who regard themselves as left wing. You are doing the thatcherite establishment's job for them. Name a policy that I have ever advocated that is genuinely far left. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2024 12:01:01 GMT
Reform essentially has the same problem that we on the left have. No matter how many votes we get under FPTP we are pretty much guaranteed not to get any seats or at best one or two. So nothing changes. The more votes Reform get the more damage they do to the Tories without gaining any or many seats themselves. Many more people who might otherwise vote Reform or for a candidate of the left will not do so because of the inherent likelihood of their vote being wasted, an assumption which of course becomes a self fulfilling prophesy. I personally know left wingers who detest Starmer and those in charge of Labour yet are planning to vote Labour anyway as the only party that can beat the Tories. Hence the FPTP stitch up guarantees that nothing significant will ever change, people feeling compelled to try and make their votes count within the system to be heard at all. Until or unless there is a mass movement among the people not simply to stop bothering but to actually go out there and vote for anyone except the Tories or Labour, nothing will ever change I fear. Because they do not fear us not voting at all. What they fear is the distant prospect of us all en masse voting for anyone but them. Us doing so is the only way we will get real change I fear. Funny how you losers moan about the No matter how many votes we get under FPTP system . That keeps the loony Element out of the house of Commons. So Steve you be happy for the far Right BMP or whatever name they go under have a repercentive in the HOC and you call yourself true Labour haha I think that such people need to have the argument won against them, not democracy suppressed to gerrymander them out of the way. And yes I am what Labour used to be but isnt anymore. It is not extreme to want a truly democratic voting system, and not a two party stitch up in favour of the establishment, leaving most people's true views almost entirely unrepresented in parliament. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 17, 2024 13:21:33 GMT
Funny how you losers moan about the No matter how many votes we get under FPTP system . That keeps the loony Element out of the house of Commons. So Steve you be happy for the far Right BMP or whatever name they go under have a repercentive in the HOC and you call yourself true Labour haha I think that such people need to have the argument won against them, not democracy suppressed to gerrymander them out of the way. And yes I am what Labour used to be but isnt anymore. It is not extreme to want a truly democratic voting system, and not a two party stitch up in favour of the establishment, leaving most people's true views almost entirely unrepresented in parliament. want a truly democratic voting system, Don't think even Corbyn would want the Extreme Right like BNP or whatever name they go under now. TO have a voice in the HOC. Has for you being old Labour would that be far left labour that kept the conservatives in power for 20yrs until to the birth of new labour . The same far left that caused the labout government at that time unmeasureble damage though wild strikes uncollecteon Of rubbish for months. power cuts. And course the closer of Nationalised firm British Leyland. Like I said they have the nerve to call themselves labour. And the voice of the working Class |
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Post by thomas on Jan 17, 2024 15:41:36 GMT
Off the top of my head , you called both darling and to the left trolls , implied sheepy was a far left islamo fascist anti semite , implied im a nazi( national socialist) and much more if one could care to take the time to peruse the drivel that passes for your contribution to this site.... To be fair, at least two of those are true. But anyway, this thread's gone tits up and the OP is clearly unable to prove his point so I guess this one's done. I don't disagree squeezed middle. Its not that one or more are trolls incapable of political discourse that bothers me , merely that one of them is probably the thickest troll on the interwebby incapable of seeing the hypocrisy of his exceptionalism on the subject of name calling. I suppose the sensible thing to do now is stop giving him the oxygen of publicity. Im not sure my eyes can put up with much more whinging and tedious self pity. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 17, 2024 15:46:17 GMT
This article was written 11 years ago , and every word still rings true today............ Why (new) Labour are to blame for UKIP
This shouldn’t take long. Since 1997, and particularly since 2001, what passes for the political ideology of the Labour Party in Britain could be accurately summed up in one short phrase: be the smallest possible single step to the left of the Tories.Complete and utter nonsense that fails to recognise a clear and repeatedly stated difference. New Labour will basically " use the existing political system except it will be 'for the many, not the few". And that is as far away from the Conservative base of making the rich richer at a cost to everyone else, as it was necessary to be in order to introduce greater fairness and a 'one country' approach. And to get into a position to do something about making changes. i.e. get elected and stay elected for a greater length of time than any previous Labour government. Ignoring the above facts is what foolish misled people do, oblivious of the reality that they are opening doors for further Conservative domination of parliament, thus damaging the progress of the nation. im still trying and failing to make head nor tail of your reply to my post. Punting spurious soundbites about for the many and not the few are best left to the cult followers of your blairite party . What is it about the article that you disagree with ? What was it about the new labour government that lost millions of voters , insulted the white working class of Scotland and England , and switched off many people , some of whom post on this forum , from ever voting blairite labour again? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2024 17:11:54 GMT
I think that such people need to have the argument won against them, not democracy suppressed to gerrymander them out of the way. And yes I am what Labour used to be but isnt anymore. It is not extreme to want a truly democratic voting system, and not a two party stitch up in favour of the establishment, leaving most people's true views almost entirely unrepresented in parliament. want a truly democratic voting system, Don't think even Corbyn would want the Extreme Right like BNP or whatever name they go under now. TO have a voice in the HOC. Has for you being old Labour would that be far left labour that kept the conservatives in power for 20yrs until to the birth of new labour . The same far left that caused the labout government at that time unmeasureble damage though wild strikes uncollecteon Of rubbish for months. power cuts. And course the closer of Nationalised firm British Leyland. Like I said they have the nerve to call themselves labour. And the voice of the working Class You are coming out with the same stupid mantra your type always do. British Leyland? Where have I advocated the nationalisation of any part of the car industry? As for the strikes and winter of discontent to which you are alluding to, you are buying the Tory narrative on that, lock, stock, and barrel. And where have you seen me pushing mass strikes as something good? You are putting me in a box of your own creation in order to turn me into some sort of caricature. And yes, I think a truly democratic system is one where everyone's votes count and count equally wherever they live, where if 20 percent vote for something they get 20 percent of the representation, and where we dont go running scared from democracy because we fear how some might vote. And in your rather pitiful attempt to portray me as some 1970s dinosaur, you do know that Labour at the time was on your side in opposing PR dont you? And not mine? |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 17, 2024 17:45:27 GMT
want a truly democratic voting system, Don't think even Corbyn would want the Extreme Right like BNP or whatever name they go under now. TO have a voice in the HOC. Has for you being old Labour would that be far left labour that kept the conservatives in power for 20yrs until to the birth of new labour . The same far left that caused the labout government at that time unmeasureble damage though wild strikes uncollecteon Of rubbish for months. power cuts. And course the closer of Nationalised firm British Leyland. Like I said they have the nerve to call themselves labour. And the voice of the working Class You are coming out with the same stupid mantra your type always do. British Leyland? Where have I advocated the nationalisation of any part of the car industry? As for the strikes and winter of discontent to which you are alluding to, you are buying the Tory narrative on that, lock, stock, and barrel. And where have you seen me pushing mass strikes as something good? You are putting me in a box of your own creation in order to turn me into some sort of caricature. And yes, I think a truly democratic system is one where everyone's votes count and count equally wherever they live, where if 20 percent vote for something they get 20 percent of the representation, and where we dont go running scared from democracy because we fear how some might vote. And in your rather pitiful attempthe t to portray me as some 1970s dinosaur, you do know that Labour at the time was on your side in opposing PR dont you? And not mine? You Do know that the PR system your pushing for goes Massively in Favour of the Establishment don't you . I know your not one of them but Certain voters on here think that PR system would change power from. the Conservative/Labour partys leadership of the Country As for the strikes and winter of discontent to which you are alluding to, you are buying the Tory narrative on that, lock, stock, and barrel Not sure what you mean by that but the labour leader then James Callagan? Who wouldn't bow dow to the Far left wing unions who constantly demended a wage increase and secondary picketed factory's . I's that the old Labour you Claim to be? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2024 18:00:12 GMT
You are coming out with the same stupid mantra your type always do. British Leyland? Where have I advocated the nationalisation of any part of the car industry? As for the strikes and winter of discontent to which you are alluding to, you are buying the Tory narrative on that, lock, stock, and barrel. And where have you seen me pushing mass strikes as something good? You are putting me in a box of your own creation in order to turn me into some sort of caricature. And yes, I think a truly democratic system is one where everyone's votes count and count equally wherever they live, where if 20 percent vote for something they get 20 percent of the representation, and where we dont go running scared from democracy because we fear how some might vote. And in your rather pitiful attempthe t to portray me as some 1970s dinosaur, you do know that Labour at the time was on your side in opposing PR dont you? And not mine? You Do know that the PR system your pushing for goes Massively in Favour of the Establishment don't you . I know your not one of them but Certain voters on here think that PR system would change power from. the Conservative/Labour partys leadership of the Country As for the strikes and winter of discontent to which you are alluding to, you are buying the Tory narrative on that, lock, stock, and barrel Not sure what you mean by that but the labour leader then James Callagan? Who wouldn't bow dow to the Far left wing unions who constantly demended a wage increase and secondary picketed factory's . I's that the old Labour you Claim to be? The strikes had the same factors in play as today. Several years of pay restraint in the public sector with pay rises well below inflation, and this at a time when the unions were far more powerful than now. The government in some sense provoked the strikes by trying to be too tough on pay. But that is history now. You called me hard left. I challenged you to name a hard left policy I supported by way of proof. Thus far you have been unable to. Trying to rehash the winter of discontent as if I was some sort of hard left citizen Smith flying picket at the time really is rather silly. Especially considering that I was only 13 at the time and didnt then have any political views at all, beyond my dislike of school uniform and homework, lol |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 17, 2024 18:32:58 GMT
You Do know that the PR system your pushing for goes Massively in Favour of the Establishment don't you . I know your not one of them but Certain voters on here think that PR system would change power from. the Conservative/Labour partys leadership of the Country As for the strikes and winter of discontent to which you are alluding to, you are buying the Tory narrative on that, lock, stock, and barrel Not sure what you mean by that but the labour leader then James Callagan? Who wouldn't bow dow to the Far left wing unions who constantly demended a wage increase and secondary picketed factory's . I's that the old Labour you Claim to be? The strikes had the same factors in play as today. Several years of pay restraint in the public sector with pay rises well below inflation, and this at a time when the unions were far more powerful than now. The government in some sense provoked the strikes by trying to be too tough on pay. But that is history now. You called me hard left. I challenged you to name a hard left policy I supported by way of proof. Thus far you have been unable to. Trying to rehash the winter of discontent as if I was some sort of hard left citizen Smith flying picket at the time really is rather silly. Especially considering that I was only 13 at the time and didnt then have any political views at all, beyond my dislike of school uniform and homework, lol No I know that you would of only been young at that time I know your younger then me . Has me trying to push your hard left your a Corbyn supporter need i say anymore. And if you say Corbyn not far left just look at most of them he had on his front benchs |
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