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Post by sandypine on Feb 11, 2024 14:28:08 GMT
Well vastly more people in the UK die from the cold than from heat - if it warmed up a bit we could save thousands of lives a year. Wouldn't cost a thing. You mean a longer growing season which means more food which will bind the mouth of famine ?
That is so crazy it might just work, although I suppose Greta Glumberg and co will have to find something else to worry on.
Anyway, I am off to plant my potatoes. It will be a month early, but if I succeed I will have increased my food supply by about 10%. And if I fail, think how happy that will make the environmentalists !
Of course it exists, the questions that have never been answered are to what degree, will it be bad, who stands to gain from the AGW disaster narrative, who stands to lose. If we do nothing who loses and who wins and most importantly are the actions of those who push the narrative to the nth degree consistent with the action they demand? As an example we have Martha's Vineyard inhabited by many's a global disaster advocate and in an area that is supposed to see between 1 and 6 feet of sea level rise within this century. Property prices are advancing currently at about 30% per annum and most of those are coastal villas a few feet above sea level. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 11, 2024 15:18:19 GMT
You mean a longer growing season which means more food which will bind the mouth of famine ?
That is so crazy it might just work, although I suppose Greta Glumberg and co will have to find something else to worry on.
Anyway, I am off to plant my potatoes. It will be a month early, but if I succeed I will have increased my food supply by about 10%. And if I fail, think how happy that will make the environmentalists !
Of course it exists, the questions that have never been answered are to what degree, will it be bad, who stands to gain from the AGW disaster narrative, who stands to lose. If we do nothing who loses and who wins and most importantly are the actions of those who push the narrative to the nth degree consistent with the action they demand? As an example we have Martha's Vineyard inhabited by many's a global disaster advocate and in an area that is supposed to see between 1 and 6 feet of sea level rise within this century. Property prices are advancing currently at about 30% per annum and most of those are coastal villas a few feet above sea level. All been addressed. It will be as bad as we allow it, there is no upper limit on global warming. if we do nothing to repair our roads who wins? Who loses? What will the cost of doing nothing be? Whose narrative is it that roads need repairing? How bad will they be if we don't repair them? Is it all just scare mongering? Is road damage man made or natural? Anti pot holers are pushing the narrative. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 11, 2024 17:36:28 GMT
Clearly not. My problem with the whole climate agenda is that many of the proposed measures appear to run counter to the narrative. I'm all for looking after the planet but we're clearly being sold a pup in the name of "Climate change". |
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Post by sandypine on Feb 11, 2024 17:41:52 GMT
Of course it exists, the questions that have never been answered are to what degree, will it be bad, who stands to gain from the AGW disaster narrative, who stands to lose. If we do nothing who loses and who wins and most importantly are the actions of those who push the narrative to the nth degree consistent with the action they demand? As an example we have Martha's Vineyard inhabited by many's a global disaster advocate and in an area that is supposed to see between 1 and 6 feet of sea level rise within this century. Property prices are advancing currently at about 30% per annum and most of those are coastal villas a few feet above sea level. All been addressed. It will be as bad as we allow it, there is no upper limit on global warming. if we do nothing to repair our roads who wins? Who loses? What will the cost of doing nothing be? Whose narrative is it that roads need repairing? How bad will they be if we don't repair them? Is it all just scare mongering? Is road damage man made or natural? Anti pot holers are pushing the narrative. But we are not doing nothing to address AGW just as we are not doing nothing to repair the roads. On the roads there is a balance between maintenance and disrepair and potholes will always exist to a greater or lesser degree. That balance is one that relies on various factors like cost and beneficial outcomes all of which we can broadly measure. With AGW the open ended nature you allude to results in an open ended demand for ever more sacrifice to meet the 'emergency'. There is no balance it is always more to meet the uncertain outcome that is never confirmed by the models and always stated to be dire even when they are not. |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 11, 2024 17:44:07 GMT
So, what if you don't stop climate change, by doing everything so far that has been a rank failure? me might start thinking there are forces going on that you have absolutely no control over. Oh no it couldn't possibly any such thing, we can control the weather. Which true to a degree as people do control the weather and create rain, but without knowing the knock-on effects. Trying to change an eco-system can also lend to other problems sherlock. Me thinks down here at the bottom we have a lot of people rushing around trying to save a planet through politics that they actually don't have a clue what they are doing and being led by a bunch of politicians who don't have a clue either but being led by a bunch of dodgy scientists. Blah blah blah. Same old rehash. As I say, I'm not willing to replay the same record over and over. If you think AGW does not exist you are so uneducated I cannot converse with you. Telling the truth is a rehash? Mmmm me might also think you actually don't have a clue either and are just going with the flow. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 11, 2024 17:44:42 GMT
Clearly not. My problem with the whole climate agenda is that many of the proposed measures appear to run counter to the narrative. I'm all for looking after the planet but we're clearly being sold a pup in the name of "Climate change". That you haven't kept up does not mean they have not been addressed. "My problem with the whole climate agenda is that many of the proposed measures appear to run counter to the narrative"No idea what this vague sentence is supposed to mean. Or what this pup is we are being sold. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 11, 2024 17:53:25 GMT
All been addressed. It will be as bad as we allow it, there is no upper limit on global warming. if we do nothing to repair our roads who wins? Who loses? What will the cost of doing nothing be? Whose narrative is it that roads need repairing? How bad will they be if we don't repair them? Is it all just scare mongering? Is road damage man made or natural? Anti pot holers are pushing the narrative. But we are not doing nothing to address AGW just as we are not doing nothing to repair the roads. On the roads there is a balance between maintenance and disrepair and potholes will always exist to a greater or lesser degree. That balance is one that relies on various factors like cost and beneficial outcomes all of which we can broadly measure. With AGW the open ended nature you allude to results in an open ended demand for ever more sacrifice to meet the 'emergency'. There is no balance it is always more to meet the uncertain outcome that is never confirmed by the models and always stated to be dire even when they are not. I disagree. The reason that the work needed on climate change demands so much 'sacrifice' is because we did nothing for so many years. To continue the analogy. Had we noticed our roads were getting bad in 1980 but did nothing about it until now, the the repair bills would be enormous and the sacrifice needed very great. The work on climate change is not open ended, net zero is the end point. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 11, 2024 18:02:05 GMT
No idea what this vague sentence is supposed to mean... I believe you. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 11, 2024 18:13:17 GMT
No idea what this vague sentence is supposed to mean... I believe you. How profound And dull. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 11, 2024 18:21:06 GMT
Zany, much as I'd love to have an adult discussion with you about this I think we both know that you simply aren't capable of that.
And God knows, I have tried with you. But you see everything as an argument rather than a discussion.
But take comfort that you're not alone. It seems a common trait among the gentlemen of the left.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 11, 2024 19:27:26 GMT
Zany, much as I'd love to have an adult discussion with you about this I think we both know that you simply aren't capable of that. And God knows, I have tried with you. But you see everything as an argument rather than a discussion. But take comfort that you're not alone. It seems a common trait among the gentlemen of the left. You wouldn't. You have no substance, no content facts or figures. You rely entirely on empty pithy remarks which you consider comic. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 11, 2024 21:15:23 GMT
Wheres the doom goblin and her deciples when there are real pollution problems in the world? Where America's clothes go to die: Shocking images lay bare the West's fast fashion shame - with mountains of trash that can be seen from SPACE causing an environmental disaster around the world The US is the biggest exporter of used clothes in the world, shipping over $834 million in 2021 alone Charity shop donations that cannot be re-sold are sent around the world where they often end up being burned or dumped, causing vast environmental damage.... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13058075/america-fast-fashion-shame-trash.html |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 11, 2024 21:58:43 GMT
Zany, much as I'd love to have an adult discussion with you about this I think we both know that you simply aren't capable of that. And God knows, I have tried with you. But you see everything as an argument rather than a discussion. But take comfort that you're not alone. It seems a common trait among the gentlemen of the left. You wouldn't. You have no substance, no content facts or figures. You rely entirely on empty pithy remarks which you consider comic. Thats a bit rich. i give you facts and figures on your claims about the effects of Brexit and all you do is run away. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 11, 2024 22:35:09 GMT
You wouldn't. You have no substance, no content facts or figures. You rely entirely on empty pithy remarks which you consider comic. Thats a bit rich. i give you facts and figures on your claims about the effects of Brexit and all you do is run away. Aw shucks. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 12, 2024 7:40:53 GMT
The problem, zany, is that there is no evidence that CO2 is the "predominant cause of climate change" - and there's no proof that the slight warming that we're (probably) experiencing even IS climate change. It may be just another blip like the "Early Twentieth Century Warming". There are so many possibilities of which CO2 is only one - and not a very likely one at that.
What if all the pain we're suffering for "Net Zero" is a waste of time? What if the real reason for the (slight) warming we've experienced since 1850 is the 8 fold increase in human population in that period and the 70% repurposing of the Earth's surface to support this population? You've never addressed this issue - you just run away. It's certainly well known that if we chop down forests it causes significant warming - and even more when we build on that land. Yet politicians continue to call for increases in population so that out govt's Ponzi schemes continue to work. This is all political.
PS I was amused at Justin Rowlatt's comment a few days ago about the latest breach of 1.5C. He actually made a passing reference to the fact that the current El Nino may have given "a little extra oomph" to temperatures. The fact is that El Nino can raise the temperature of the surface of the ocean by 5C. It's more than a little oomph.
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