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Post by thomas on Jan 18, 2024 12:36:31 GMT
I thought nuclear energy is still not viable worldwide without massive government subsidy? Well the last failed attempt to build a new reactor was going to rely on Chinese money to get it built. At £33 billion a pop our government didn't want to use money from our treasury. I thought I read something like that. My old man used to say to me the bedrock of conservatism is self sufficiency and standing on ones own two feet. It seems England modern conservatives don't support that in terms of energy. Energy policy is made up on the hoof on a wing and a prayer. We had alok Sharma crying about climate change at cop in glesga , promising bojo was genuinely serious about England aka the uk going green. We have the wee bookkeeper Sunak dithering , while relying on us jocks for energy , the hated europeans , and previously begging the Chinese to build nuclear before he was slapped down and told whats what by Washington. Meanwhile , households across the uk struggle to heat their homes paying excessive energy costs , the tories say there is no money to build nuclear , but they can always find a spare couple billion in tory party headquarters top drawer to throw to Ukraine , or Israel , to keep up the pretence the uk is a global power. What a fucking mess. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 18, 2024 13:13:33 GMT
Well the last failed attempt to build a new reactor was going to rely on Chinese money to get it built. At £33 billion a pop our government didn't want to use money from our treasury. I thought I read something like that. My old man used to say to me the bedrock of conservatism is self sufficiency and standing on ones own two feet. It seems England modern conservatives don't support that in terms of energy. Energy policy is made up on the hoof on a wing and a prayer. We had alok Sharma crying about climate change at cop in glesga , promising bojo was genuinely serious about England aka the uk going green. We have the wee bookkeeper Sunak dithering , while relying on us jocks for energy , the hated europeans , and previously begging the Chinese to build nuclear before he was slapped down and told whats what by Washington. Meanwhile , households across the uk struggle to heat their homes paying excessive energy costs , the tories say there is no money to build nuclear , but they can always find a spare couple billion in tory party headquarters top drawer to throw to Ukraine , or Israel , to keep up the pretence the uk is a global power. What a fucking mess. Long term planning combined with short term thinking is a guaranteed way to fail. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 18, 2024 15:09:07 GMT
If you want a Zero Carbon future than widespread adoption of Nuclear is the only feasible current option as Renewables are simply too expensive. A single day of battery storage for the UK would cost £300 billion. 1 single day. For that money we could build 15 Sizewell size nuclear reactors or 150 of the Rolls-Royce SMR's. It's England that has the problem Pacifico. England is a net importer of electricity, from both Scotland and continental Europe. your government has let your country down repeatedly over the decades with your failing energy policy. There appears to be no long term vision that outlasts a parliamentary term . There is long term vision but it concentrates on net zero. Why that should be is the stuff of dystopian nightmares and conspiracy theories but it is there and is being steadily addressed by almost every politician currently in office. There are some who would say Thatcher destroyed the country but net zero is a greater destroyer of the UK than any government in the 20th century. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 18, 2024 15:13:26 GMT
England only has a problem if Scotland leave the Union - which they have been talking about for the past 100 years but never got anywhere near to doing. Also even if Scotland does leave you will need someone to sell your power to to keep your economy afloat - so for the foreseeable nothing is going to change. ok , that wasn't a jibe at you or your country , it was a statement of fact following on from my criticism of successive Westminster government going back to thatcher , regarding failed energy policy. Scotland produced enough renewable energy in 2021 to power our country three times over. you argued that nuclear is the way forward , and im pointing out clearly the energy issue is a major problem , and growing worse , in England. despite telling us Scots are subsidy junkies , here you tacitly admit what we already know that Scotland subsidises your country with energy?( among much else) No shit Sherlock. !!!We have Sunak dishing out North Sea drilling licences for Scotlands oil , and starmer telling the uk he is going to save England in terms of energy by using Scotlands energy resources. We know this. We are telling every man woman and child in Scotland this. My point to you , is what is your country going to do in political terms , who has the vision to chart a path forward for England in terms of energy without your usual colonial exploitation of other nations? If we leave , which isn't likely in the near future I will be the first to admit , you are in deep trouble , and that is a failure of your government over many years , no one else. I dont want to get into the tedious discussion about the never appearing Scottish Independence, but there is no subsidy - every bit of power exported from Scotland is paid for. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 18, 2024 15:15:17 GMT
England only has a problem if Scotland leave the Union - which they have been talking about for the past 100 years but never got anywhere near to doing. Also even if Scotland does leave you will need someone to sell your power to to keep your economy afloat - so for the foreseeable nothing is going to change. wales of course won’t have a problem. The welsh can just burn cottages to keep warm. And at the rate things are going no one will be here soon, apart from rubber raft immigrants. Ah that takes me back - the old adverts were the best. 'Come home to a real fire - buy a cottage in Wales' |
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Post by thomas on Jan 18, 2024 15:31:03 GMT
ok , that wasn't a jibe at you or your country , it was a statement of fact following on from my criticism of successive Westminster government going back to thatcher , regarding failed energy policy. Scotland produced enough renewable energy in 2021 to power our country three times over. you argued that nuclear is the way forward , and im pointing out clearly the energy issue is a major problem , and growing worse , in England. despite telling us Scots are subsidy junkies , here you tacitly admit what we already know that Scotland subsidises your country with energy?( among much else) No shit Sherlock. !!!We have Sunak dishing out North Sea drilling licences for Scotlands oil , and starmer telling the uk he is going to save England in terms of energy by using Scotlands energy resources. We know this. We are telling every man woman and child in Scotland this. My point to you , is what is your country going to do in political terms , who has the vision to chart a path forward for England in terms of energy without your usual colonial exploitation of other nations? If we leave , which isn't likely in the near future I will be the first to admit , you are in deep trouble , and that is a failure of your government over many years , no one else. I dont want to get into the tedious discussion about the never appearing Scottish Independence, but there is no subsidy - every bit of power exported from Scotland is paid for. not at market rate. The intricacies of the subsidy from Scotland to England is best left to the Scottish threads as you say. Perhaps I may start a thread up on it later. Thakyou for admitting though England needs Scotlands electricity , and would struggle without us. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 18, 2024 15:32:28 GMT
wales of course won’t have a problem. The welsh can just burn cottages to keep warm. And at the rate things are going no one will be here soon, apart from rubber raft immigrants. Ah that takes me back - the old adverts were the best. 'Come home to a real fire - buy a cottage in Wales' mad isn't it? the English buying taffies holiday homes , and Johnny Foreigner buying up London. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jan 19, 2024 8:29:55 GMT
1) Re-plant the rainforests and other forests. Get a bit of biodiversity and make the planet healthier. 2) Encourage smaller families through education to reduce human population growth and the resultant pollution we all put out. 3) And build lots of nuclear power stations to cut electricity costs. How does 1+2 equate with your programme to bomb Russia and work to start a war in Ukraine 10 years ago?? Hmmm. 🤔 I’ve been plugging no’s 1+2 for quite a while now .. largely ignored … but advocate birth control rather than Zionist funded/orchestrated genocide and nuclear war … to reduce population numbers. I guess NATO/Israel pushing to trigger worldwide nuclear war - will hide the necessity for dumb Western scientists to need to bury nuclear waste in future … they can just openly scatter it on the land … and stuff it in their new tank warheads …. and stick a label on it … “low grad MOD nuclear waste - non-harmful”.I think using Globalist’s embezzled profits/taxes to reseed the planet is the best idea … since they bankrupted our Nations … and TAX-PAYERS have no money now. We need to … set up irrigation projects to work to reduce rapidly expanding semi-arid/desert areas … stop deforestation/ 90% reduce live tree logging … create agricultural organic farming that enriches soils and biodiversity … stops dustbowls forming … these create hotspot thermals that mostly drive change in weather patterns - more so than car emissions I believe. . These measures will over time gradually change thermal patterns, and restore some fertility to areas of the planet. …buying an electric car will NEVER in a million years achieve this goal. … that policy will just deforest with more mining damage… knocking the hell out of nature and the planet ~ (nickel/cobalt/uranium) needed to drive battery production and nuclear industries … leaving waste with a 1000 year half life radiation legacy is the usual Globalist/Gov stupidity we’ve come to expect from Tories/Labour and V. clones … “Go Green … and create a climate to bomb the heck out of Russians and Chinese” … isn’t a Vinny message that makes much sense to 95% of the population. These chameleons controlling everything need the boot … and so does their MSM. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 19, 2024 8:39:30 GMT
Off topic but Donetsk Luhansk and Crimea are not Russia they are Ukraine.
You are the one supporting bombing and warmongering.
I simply defend the existence of a sovereign independent country which has been under armed attack for ten years and political attack for twenty years.
Anyway back to topic.
Rainforests are key regarding the climate.
Nuclear power, renewable electricity and renewable hydrocarbon fuels made from captured CO2, are important as well.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 19, 2024 9:00:32 GMT
Anyway Russia is a big exporter of fossil fuels, a big funder of climate change denial propaganda and besides oil, gas, and crap weapons systems and armed invasions, Vladovite Russia doesn't have much to export.
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Post by thomas on Jan 19, 2024 9:58:43 GMT
Anyway Russia is a big exporter of fossil fuels, a big funder of climate change denial propaganda and besides oil, gas, and crap weapons systems and armed invasions, Vladovite Russia doesn't have much to export. Ive followed the climate change argument for years , and I personally have come to my own conclusions , that climate change is real , but it's natural , very little to do with man. That's my current opinion. Blaming the Russians for climate change denial is fucking laughable. The same people with sour grapes about trump winning in America were screaming incoherently about Russian interference , and in your own country , when you and your fellow brexiters won , again , sore losers were screaming it was all to do with Russian interfering. How many times did Carole cadwalladr get her arse handed to her on a plate for making Russian interference and propaganda claims which turned out to be baseless? |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 19, 2024 10:10:13 GMT
Thanks for the bump.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 21, 2024 16:09:49 GMT
Remember this the next time anyone says we should listen to the experts..  'assumptions underpinning the committee’s 2019 advice to ministers included a projection that in 2050 there would be just seven days on which wind turbines would produce less than 10 per cent of their potential electricity output. That compared to 30 such days in 2020, 33 in 2019 and 56 in 2018'
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Post by sandypine on Jan 21, 2024 16:30:28 GMT
Remember this the next time anyone says we should listen to the experts.. 'assumptions underpinning the committee’s 2019 advice to ministers included a projection that in 2050 there would be just seven days on which wind turbines would produce less than 10 per cent of their potential electricity output. That compared to 30 such days in 2020, 33 in 2019 and 56 in 2018'
Sounds very much like a Beeching plan where they based much on a one week survey of passengers |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 22, 2024 9:06:52 GMT
Labour will replace 400,000 acres of British farmland with solar panels by 2030.
Forcing us to import more food.
Not to mention importing the solar panels.
And when the sun doesn't shine, importing electricity.
Net zero: zero independence, zero security.
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