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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 13, 2024 16:24:46 GMT
So what do the Labour supporters think Starmer and co will do different than the Tories ? It doesn't just look like the Labour supporters that think labour will do something different then the tories but also a lot of Swing voters.. But let me has a labour supporter answer that question. Has records show . 1-Manage the Economy 2- offer better NHS service 3-give us Better public Services. What do you has let say has a Alternative voter think a party like Reform can offer the County if they ever got into Government ? All very well but Labour have been in control of the Welsh Economy, the Welsh NHS and Welsh Public Services without interruption sonce 1999 and are on all counts abysmally worse than England. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 13, 2024 16:47:12 GMT
It doesn't just look like the Labour supporters that think labour will do something different then the tories but also a lot of Swing voters.. But let me has a labour supporter answer that question. Has records show . 1-Manage the Economy 2- offer better NHS service 3-give us Better public Services. What do you has let say has a Alternative voter think a party like Reform can offer the County if they ever got into Government ? All very well but Labour have been in control of the Welsh Economy, the Welsh NHS and Welsh Public Services without interruption sonce 1999 and are on all counts abysmally worse than England. OK so your saying that Labour controlled wales has been abysmally worse then England since 1999 Can I ask you are you saying that when Wales has been under Conservative control . Them services was better then.. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 13, 2024 17:02:39 GMT
So what do the Labour supporters think Starmer and co will do different than the Tories ? It doesn't just look like the Labour supporters that think labour will do something different then the tories but also a lot of Swing voters.. But let me has a labour supporter answer that question. Has records show . 1-Manage the Economy 2- offer better NHS service 3-give us Better public Services. What do you has let say has an Alternative voter think a party like Reform can offer the County if they ever got into Government ? Too vague. Be more specific . What will Labour do that the Tories are not ? Hiw will labour provide a better NHS service ? What public services will be better under Labour and how will they be better ? |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 13, 2024 17:04:17 GMT
So what do the Labour supporters think Starmer and co will do different than the Tories ? Going by what they say on Labour blogs, I would say the main thing is they would not stuff their own pockets. You see Labour think the Tories just hand contracts and jobs to their mates and that is why everything fucks up. They also think the should pay some tax rather than offshoring it. Ok. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 13, 2024 17:17:47 GMT
Out of those The Chinese one is the United Front Works Department which is a kind of Chinese PR agency, so quite harmless. It's trying to develop better international relations.
The JSO one is more concerning since they are buying domestic policy which affects us.
Mandelson is suspect since he was hanging around with Epstein, and a Russian oligarch.
But acording to you they wont be linning their own pockets when they infest the HOC BVL.... Insinuation upon insinuation. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 13, 2024 17:19:42 GMT
It doesn't just look like the Labour supporters that think labour will do something different then the tories but also a lot of Swing voters.. But let me has a labour supporter answer that question. Has records show . 1-Manage the Economy 2- offer better NHS service 3-give us Better public Services. What do you has let say has a Alternative voter think a party like Reform can offer the County if they ever got into Government ? All very well but Labour have been in control of the Welsh Economy, the Welsh NHS and Welsh Public Services without interruption sonce 1999 and are on all counts abysmally worse than England. But is it any better or worse than what went before it in Wales? |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 13, 2024 17:40:27 GMT
It doesn't just look like the Labour supporters that think labour will do something different then the tories but also a lot of Swing voters.. But let me has a labour supporter answer that question. Has records show . 1-Manage the Economy 2- offer better NHS service 3-give us Better public Services. What do you has let say has an Alternative voter think a party like Reform can offer the County if they ever got into Government ? Too vague. Be more specific . What will Labour do that the Tories are not ? Hiw will labour provide a better NHS service ? What public services will be better under Labour and how will they be better ? Looking at the History of the Labour Government they have always provided better health Service take for instance When Blair gained power he lowed the waiting list for NHS patients . The NHS was so underfunded he had to Bulid 100 new hospitals and refurnished many of them. Whether he had to use private investment His neither here or there he had to raise the Money Somehow . Social care the lack of a quality service under this Government speakes for itself. Even though a lot of services are provided by Councils they lost nearly 30% Of Government funding. The Economy even when The Economy went into a Recession forced by a worldwide recession at the time. We never had such a high inflation rate or a Cost of living crises. The public dept is Mutiple times worse then when labour left power. Even though we had 13yrs of Aruisty measures by this Government. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 13, 2024 17:44:14 GMT
Too vague. Be more specific . What will Labour do that the Tories are not ? Hiw will labour provide a better NHS service ? What public services will be better under Labour and how will they be better ? Looking at the History of the Labour Government they have always provided better health Service take for instance When Blair gained power he lowed the waiting list for NHS patients . The NHS was so underfunded he had to Bulid 100 new hospitals and refurnished many of them. Whether he had to use private investment His neither here or there he had to raise the Money Somehow . Social care the lack of a quality service under this Government speakes for itself. Even though a lot of services are provided by Councils they lost nearly 30% Of Government funding. The Economy even when The Economy went into a Recession forced by a worldwide recession at the time. We never had such a high inflation rate or a Cost of living crises. The public dept is Mutiple times worse then when labour left power. Even though we had 13yrs of Aruisty measures by this Government. A simple “ I have no idea “ would have saved you time and effort. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 13, 2024 17:58:35 GMT
Looking at the History of the Labour Government they have always provided better health Service take for instance When Blair gained power he lowed the waiting list for NHS patients . The NHS was so underfunded he had to Bulid 100 new hospitals and refurnished many of them. Whether he had to use private investment His neither here or there he had to raise the Money Somehow . Social care the lack of a quality service under this Government speakes for itself. Even though a lot of services are provided by Councils they lost nearly 30% Of Government funding. The Economy even when The Economy went into a Recession forced by a worldwide recession at the time. We never had such a high inflation rate or a Cost of living crises. The public dept is Mutiple times worse then when labour left power. Even though we had 13yrs of Aruisty measures by this Government. A simple “ I have no idea “ would have saved you time and effort. What you mean I have no idea. I've posted what the labour would do different. Now you tell me what a UKreform party would do different . |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 13, 2024 18:03:56 GMT
A simple “ I have no idea “ would have saved you time and effort. What you mean I have no idea. I've posted what the labour would do different. Now you tell me what a UKreform party would do different . You have done nothing of the kind. You might have well as said ‘ they will make everything better ‘ and saved your typing finger . Nothing of any substance at all. I have no idea what UK reform will do and until they tell us in terms far better than you are capable of telling us about Labour , I won’t know |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 13, 2024 18:12:28 GMT
A simple “ I have no idea “ would have saved you time and effort. What you mean I have no idea. I've posted what the labour would do different. Now you tell me what a UKreform party would do different . Copy and pasting from Labour websites doesn't count, if you read everything that Labour are going to do when they get in to power, we'll all be chucking money around like it was confetti, we will only have to work 4 days a week, or work from home, the NHS will make a miraculous recovery, we can see GPs any time we want, there will be no NHS waiting lists, there will be no homeless .... LOL .. need I go on, I think you get the gist. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 13, 2024 18:16:31 GMT
What you mean I have no idea. I've posted what the labour would do different. Now you tell me what a UKreform party would do different . Copy and pasting from Labour websites doesn't count, if you read everything that Labour are going to do when they get in to power, we'll all be chucking money around like it was confetti, we will only have to work 4 days a week, or work from home, the NHS will make a miraculous recovery, we can see GPs any time we want, there will be no NHS waiting lists, there will be no homeless .... LOL .. need I go on, I think you get the gist. Indeed. He has no idea what they will do, he just knows that they will do it . |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 13, 2024 18:43:51 GMT
All very well but Labour have been in control of the Welsh Economy, the Welsh NHS and Welsh Public Services without interruption sonce 1999 and are on all counts abysmally worse than England. OK so your saying that Labour controlled wales has been abysmally worse then England since 1999 Can I ask you are you saying that when Wales has been under Conservative control . Them services was better then.. Wales was no better than England when its public services, health services, business infrastructure and economy were governed by parliament in london and administered by the civil service under the auspices of the welsh office at Cathays Park. This scenario applied in pretty much equal measure, i.e. the treatment of wales as oppised to england was roughly the same under Major, Thatcher, Callaghan, Heath, Wilson, (these are the prime ministers i personally recall) and i recall little from my grandmother to suggest any difference all the way back to Lloyd George. The Home Counties have ALWAYS has it better than Wales But it took s devolved assembly run as a unicameral, unopposed dictatorship by Welsh Labour to drive the standards to the pit of hell they have now descended to compared to England. That descent began with Rhodri Morgan whingeing at the Blair government and has only accelerated downwards since. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 13, 2024 19:01:35 GMT
OK so your saying that Labour controlled wales has been abysmally worse then England since 1999 Can I ask you are you saying that when Wales has been under Conservative control . Them services was better then.. Wales was no better than England when its public services, health services, business infrastructure and economy were governed by parliament in london and administered by the civil service under the auspices of the welsh office at Cathays Park. This scenario applied in pretty much equal measure, i.e. the treatment of wales as oppised to england was roughly the same under Major, Thatcher, Callaghan, Heath, Wilson, (these are the prime ministers i personally recall) and i recall little from my grandmother to suggest any difference all the way back to Lloyd George. The Home Counties have ALWAYS has it better than Wales But it took s devolved assembly run as a unicameral, unopposed dictatorship by Welsh Labour to drive the standards to the pit of hell they have now descended to compared to England. That descent began with Rhodri Morgan whingeing at the Blair government and has only accelerated downwards since. Wales should be a wake up call to any one voting for a Labour government.
Most English run Labour councils are bust, so how can Labour sell themselves to voters, Labour are hammering the motorists to make ends meet, this is a taste of things to come if we get Labour.
If Labour run councils are bankrupt why would people trust them to run the country? It just confirms what most sensible people having being saying over and over again, Labour bankrupt the COUNTRY, then the Tories get voted in to clear up their mess, then we have to suffer austerity cuts to try and balance the books, I wouldn't put Labour in charge of a kids teaparty, never mind the country.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 13, 2024 19:02:27 GMT
OK so your saying that Labour controlled wales has been abysmally worse then England since 1999 Can I ask you are you saying that when Wales has been under Conservative control . Them services was better then.. Wales was no better than England when its public services, health services, business infrastructure and economy were governed by parliament in london and administered by the civil service under the auspices of the welsh office at Cathays Park. This scenario applied in pretty much equal measure, i.e. the treatment of wales as oppised to england was roughly the same under Major, Thatcher, Callaghan, Heath, Wilson, (these are the prime ministers i personally recall) and i recall little from my grandmother to suggest any difference all the way back to Lloyd George. The Home Counties have ALWAYS has it better than Wales But it took s devolved assembly run as a unicameral, unopposed dictatorship by Welsh Labour to drive the standards to the pit of hell they have now descended to compared to England. That descent began with Rhodri Morgan whingeing at the Blair government and has only accelerated downwards since. I have long believed that England would end up looking like Wales if Farage were ever prime minister. These people are all gob and no practical idea how things should be run. In the old days of the British establishment there was a class of men where father taught son how to rule. They honed a system through public school education that was tried and tested over many generations. |
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