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Post by jonksy on Jan 13, 2024 13:05:03 GMT
Westminster Accounts: Labour and Starmer have accepted thousands from major Just Stop Oil donor.
Labour MP received £500,000 in funding from Chinese Communist agent
Gordon Brown’s office took Russian bank’s money.
Details of Tony Blair’s Dealings With Kazakhstan Leaked
The Mandelson loan scandal
Out of those The Chinese one is the United Front Works Department which is a kind of Chinese PR agency, so quite harmless. It's trying to develop better international relations.
The JSO one is more concerning since they are buying domestic policy which affects us.
Mandelson is suspect since he was hanging around with Epstein, and a Russian oligarch.
But acording to you they wont be linning their own pockets when they infest the HOC BVL.... |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 13, 2024 13:13:59 GMT
There will be a Labour government at some point, it is part of the cycle, but the thing is this, Starmer is the man who cost Labour the last election. He ignored Labour's heartlands and cost Labour the red wall. He is not the man to lead the country. What you on about Corbyn was the leader of the labour party when they suffed there biggest defeat in 40yrs. And lost labour red wall Constituencies. And if your on About Sir starmer Stance on leaving the Eu. The Economy shows he was right with the highest level of inflation for 40yrs Even to this day the Economy is still higher than the average rate of inflation in this Country. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 13, 2024 13:17:47 GMT
There will be a Labour government at some point, it is part of the cycle, but the thing is this, Starmer is the man who cost Labour the last election. He ignored Labour's heartlands and cost Labour the red wall. He is not the man to lead the country. What you on about Corbyn was the leader of the labour party when they suffed there biggest defeat in 40yrs. And lost labour red wall Constituencies. And if your on About Sir starmer Stance on leaving the Eu. The Economy shows he was right with the highest level of inflation for 40yrs Even to this day the Economy is still higher than the average rate of inflation in this Country. Khunt's £140bn Brexit claim 'straight out of fantasyland' warns Reform UK's Ben Habib.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 13, 2024 13:18:55 GMT
Starmer was personally responsible for the pro EU 2nd in/out referendum policy which sank Labour and cost them sixty seats.
And days after personally costing Labour the election he had the hubris to stand for leader, along with Emily Thornberry!!!
Or have you forgotten?
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 13, 2024 13:31:17 GMT
Starmer was personally responsible for the pro EU 2nd in/out referendum policy which sank Labour and cost them sixty seats. And days after personally costing Labour the election he had the hubris to stand for leader, along with Emily Thornberry!!! Or have you forgotten? Not forgotten anything I won't a straight forward answer from you . Do you think this country will ever vote a far right or far left wing party into Government. Has for your statement Starmer being personally Responsible for the 2nd in out referend Like I said he been proven right by the State of the Economy . He obviously had the best interests of the Country Not like Farage and Johnson whos only interest was there friends the Bankers and so on |
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Post by thomas on Jan 13, 2024 13:46:50 GMT
Why is it in practically every single sector , the labour run welsh nation is behind the tories in England , and the snp in Scotland ? Because wales has a older population then England and Scotland. That obviously puts more pressure on the NHS system in Wales. And also put pressure on Economy and so On . Has your probley a SNP supporter or a supporter of the other party advocating Independent Scotland. Your left leaning and don't understand how you can support a right wing Govenment over labour. But it Seems where you Far left share Common Ground. What simplistic nonsense. Many countries in Europe , Italy , Portugal Germany and many more , have an older population than Wales , in terms of the percentage being 65 or over , yet have far better health systems and economies than what labour run Wales has. We are seeing falling birth rates among the indigenous populations of many western countries , and increasing percentages of elderly , so this doesn't excuse labours pitiful record of shocking governance in the one nation of the uk where they have been in power uninterrupted these past nigh on quarter of a century. Anyone who thinks keir starmers party is left wing doesn't deserve to be posting on a political forum. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 13, 2024 13:51:46 GMT
We had Attlee in at one time, and Harold Wilson, so yes, far left governments have been in before.
As for Starmer being personally responbile for Labour's Brexit policy, he was shadow Brexit secretary, he wrote the policy. he was the man who should have said "the country voted leave, therefore we have to leave".
Instead he implied "the country got it wrong therefore it must vote again and again and again (but only) until it agrees with me".
He absolutely ruined Labour.
MOST Labour seats voted leave.
Leaving has been great for the economy.
All the EU countries have had inflation as well, but some of those countries have had recessions.
We have dodged a hail of bullets.
Look at the positives.
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Post by thomas on Jan 13, 2024 14:02:13 GMT
We had Attlee in at one time, and Harold Wilson, so yes, far left governments have been in before. As for Starmer being personally responbile for Labour's Brexit policy, he was shadow Brexit secretary, he wrote the policy. he was the man who should have said "the country voted leave, therefore we have to leave". Instead he implied "the country got it wrong therefore it must vote again and again and again (but only) until it agrees with me". He absolutely ruined Labour. MOST Labour seats voted leave. Leaving has been great for the economy. All the EU countries have had inflation as well, but some of those countries have had recessions. We have dodged a hail of bullets. Look at the positives. not only did he write labours disastrous 2019 Brexit policy , but as we all know , he spent years in parliament trying to overturn a democratic vote which led to parliament being log jammed , and the dam bursting with predictable consequences in 2019. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 13, 2024 14:15:36 GMT
Because wales has a older population then England and Scotland. That obviously puts more pressure on the NHS system in Wales. And also put pressure on Economy and so On . Has your probley a SNP supporter or a supporter of the other party advocating Independent Scotland. Your left leaning and don't understand how you can support a right wing Govenment over labour. But it Seems where you Far left share Common Ground. What simplistic nonsense. Many countries in Europe , Italy , Portugal Germany and many more , have an older population than Wales , in terms of the percentage being 65 or over , yet have far better health systems and economies than what labour run Wales has. We are seeing falling  birth rates among the indigenous populations of many western countries , and increasing percentages of elderly , so this doesn't excuse labours pitiful record of shocking governance in the one nation of the uk where they have been in power uninterrupted these past nigh on quarter of a century. Anyone who thinks keir starmers party is left wing doesn't deserve to be posting on a political forum. Let's take your points them Economy have in General a better Economy then Conservative British Government. Health service would they be partly funeed health service. Not free NHS like Britain. Has for Wales and there poor health service you keep pointing out. I posted that Scotland has the worst life expectancy in Western Europe. Even one of the worst in the Whole of Europe. Even countries from Eastern Europe what are pooer than Scotland have better life expectancy then Scotland . |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 13, 2024 14:31:35 GMT
We had Attlee in at one time, and Harold Wilson, so yes, far left governments have been in before. As for Starmer being personally responbile for Labour's Brexit policy, he was shadow Brexit secretary, he wrote the policy. he was the man who should have said "the country voted leave, therefore we have to leave". Instead he implied "the country got it wrong therefore it must vote again and again and again (but only) until it agrees with me". He absolutely ruined Labour. MOST Labour seats voted leave. Leaving has been great for the economy. All the EU countries have had inflation as well, but some of those countries have had recessions. We have dodged a hail of bullets. Look at the positives. You seem to keep mising the point that sir Stanmer has been proven right by the state of the British Economy. And has for other countries economy you say what other countries do has nothing to do with us But talking about other countries we have the worst economy in the G7 and slowest growth .even after the effect of covid and the Eukrain Russian war. So that shows Brexit badly damaged are economy. Has for labour losing labour seats it shows how they was lied to by the Brexiters You not given a answer to my question. Do you think this country will ever vote into power a far right or far left wing Government into power. It's obvious why you refused to Answer. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 13, 2024 14:33:50 GMT
What simplistic nonsense. Many countries in Europe , Italy , Portugal Germany and many more , have an older population than Wales , in terms of the percentage being 65 or over , yet have far better health systems and economies than what labour run Wales has. We are seeing falling  birth rates among the indigenous populations of many western countries , and increasing percentages of elderly , so this doesn't excuse labours pitiful record of shocking governance in the one nation of the uk where they have been in power uninterrupted these past nigh on quarter of a century. Anyone who thinks keir starmers party is left wing doesn't deserve to be posting on a political forum. Let's take your points them Economy have in General a better Economy then Conservative British Government. Health service would they be partly funeed health service. Not free NHS like Britain. Has for Wales and there poor health service you keep pointing out. I posted that Scotland has the worst life expectancy in Western Europe. Even one of the worst in the Whole of Europe. Even countries from Eastern Europe what are pooer than Scotland have better life expectancy then Scotland . And your point about New labour not being left wing proved that you and the right wingers have something in Common . Shall I say anymore |
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Post by thomas on Jan 13, 2024 15:26:58 GMT
What simplistic nonsense. Many countries in Europe , Italy , Portugal Germany and many more , have an older population than Wales , in terms of the percentage being 65 or over , yet have far better health systems and economies than what labour run Wales has. We are seeing falling birth rates among the indigenous populations of many western countries , and increasing percentages of elderly , so this doesn't excuse labours pitiful record of shocking governance in the one nation of the uk where they have been in power uninterrupted these past nigh on quarter of a century. Anyone who thinks keir starmers party is left wing doesn't deserve to be posting on a political forum. Let's take your points them Economy have in General a better Economy then Conservative British Government. Health service would they be partly funeed health service. Not free NHS like Britain. Has for Wales and there poor health service you keep pointing out. who has a better economy than the British tory government? We were discussing why labour run Wales has the worst in practically everything from the nhs to the economy compared to Scotland and England , and your puerile excuse was its because Wales is full of old people. I then retort many countries have older populations than Wales in percentage terms but better economies and health systems , crushing your nonsensical argument , and you waffle on about someone somewhere having a better economy in general than the uk under the tories. That's a diversion. Labour , and their supporters like you want our votes in Scotland and elngland , and when we ask you why Wales is so badly run , you waffle on a load of old bollocks about anything and everything besides the point , and the point is , if we vote labour in at Holyrood and Westminster , will our countries end up badly run like wales? im not a grammar nazi by any stretch of the imagination , but you have to try an be a bit more clear in your posts please. Now what are you gibbering about now? Some European countries have a free at point of use health service many don't. YOUR earlier argument wasn't about how health serives were run , but about Wales ageing population causing its nhs and economy to be run badly , which as we have seen is a nonsense. I think you have a cheek talking about free health , when it was labour who introduced the private sector into the nhs , under your hero Blair , and tried to privatise Scotlands water and health systems never mind forcing tuition fees on the Scottish people. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 13, 2024 15:33:19 GMT
Let's take your points them Economy have in General a better Economy then Conservative British Government. Health service would they be partly funeed health service. Not free NHS like Britain. Has for Wales and there poor health service you keep pointing out. I posted that Scotland has the worst life expectancy in Western Europe. Even one of the worst in the Whole of Europe. Even countries from Eastern Europe what are pooer than Scotland have better life expectancy then Scotland . And your point about New labour not being left wing proved that you and the right wingers have something in Common . Shall I say anymore No , you moaned that someone left leaning should somehow support Labour , with the insinuation they are left leaning , and I pointed out anyone who thinks starmers party is left leaning shouldn't be posting on a uk politics forum. We have former and current labour politicians like abbot and Corbyn saying starmers party is right wing , we have former labour card carrying members like srb Steve on this forum saying it , and many others as well including lefties like owen jones. so get your facts straight. The problems as I see it in uk politics , among much else , is that neither of the majority parties are actually left or right , but merely increasingly globalist centrists , parroting unpopular policies , with the tories having abandoned any form of conservatism , while Labour have abandoned the very socialism the party was founded upon. That criticism is also aimed at the uks third party , the nu SNP. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 13, 2024 15:48:10 GMT
And your point about New labour not being left wing proved that you and the right wingers have something in Common . Shall I say anymore No , you moaned that someone left leaning should somehow support Labour , with the insinuation they are left leaning , and I pointed out anyone who thinks starmers party is left leaning shouldn't be posting on a uk politics forum. We have former and current labour politicians like abbot  and Corbyn saying starmers party is right wing , we have former labour card carrying members like srb Steve on this forum saying it , and many others as well including lefties like owen jones. so get your facts straight. The problems as I see it in uk politics , among much else , is that neither of the majority parties are actually left or right , but merely increasingly globalist centrists , parroting unpopular policies , with the tories having abandoned any form of conservatism , while Labour have abandoned the very socialism the party was founded upon. That criticism is also aimed at the uks third party , the nu SNP. Would that be forner labour politican That is undoubtedly far left and lead labour to there worst defeat in 30+years because the British public won't vote for a far left wing Government Yep it is. And let's not forget that the labour membership was Boosted by Conservativeso Paying a few quid to vote for Corbyn To become labour leader because they knew that this Country would not vote for a left wing Government. And has for Owen Jones has much has I agree with a lot of things he says . There no doubt hes far left |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 13, 2024 16:12:24 GMT
Let's take your points them Economy have in General a better Economy then Conservative British Government. Health service would they be partly funeed health service. Not free NHS like Britain. Has for Wales and there poor health service you keep pointing out. who has a better economy than the British tory government? We were discussing why labour run Wales has the worst in practically everything from the nhs to the economy compared to Scotland and England , and your puerile excuse was its because Wales is full of old people. I then retort many countries have older populations than Wales in percentage terms but better economies and health systems , crushing your nonsensical argument , and you waffle on about someone somewhere having a better economy in general than the uk under the tories. That's a diversion. Labour , and their supporters like you want our votes in Scotland and elngland , and when we ask you why Wales is so badly run , you waffle on a load of old bollocks about anything and everything besides the point  , and the point is , if we vote labour in at Holyrood and Westminster , will our countries end up badly run like wales? im not a grammar nazi by any stretch of the imagination , but you have to try an be a bit more clear in your posts please. Now what are you gibbering about now? Some European countries have a free at point of use health service many don't. YOUR earlier argument wasn't about how health serives were run , but about Wales ageing population causing its nhs and economy to be run badly , which as we have seen is a nonsense. I think you have a cheek talking about free health , when it was labour who introduced the private sector into the nhs , under your hero Blair , and tried to privatise Scotlands water and health systems never mind forcing tuition fees on the Scottish people. Thomas I thought you checked you facts before you posted You said think you have a cheek talking about free health , when it was labour who introduced the private sector into the nhs , under your hero Blair Your wrong about that . The available evidence suggests the increase originally began under Labour governments before 2010, who, like the coalition, had multiple health policies orientated around competition. Figures obtained by Full Fact show that spending on private providers rose at a constant rate from 2006/07 to 2015/16. So the Evidence shows that provision for health care was Started by the Conservative Govenment before Tony Blair. But it increased under his Govenment. It seems like I said you on the far left have something in Common with then on the right. |
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