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Post by Totheleft on Jan 7, 2024 17:20:40 GMT
Would that be The NHS that has Record waiting list and what Health experts say That underfunded to meet the needs of the NHS. And ever increasing health services contact to private hospitals issued by the Government. Think it is The NHS has been asking for more money for the past 75 years - and in another 75 years it will still be asking for more money. That is where the money goes - on a Public Sector where productivity has collapsed. .would that be The NHS where a fair share of there the Money they received goes private health care providers where the Government has sourced health care to them . Or the growing population of the elderly That Block up much needed beds even when there no need for them to be there. But there, there because of a much under funded socal care system and there also No beds place available for them . Also the NHS with a ever increasing waiting list . A NHS that's has a staggering shortage of GP Doctors because the government hasn't found them that have left because of retaimemt. And your showing typical Right wing Hypocrisy condemning what a Much needed public received . And openly admit private Schools who Earn Millions in income Shouldn't have there Charity status took away from them. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 7, 2024 17:25:35 GMT
Nothing will change until the NHS has a non-political independent department set up that is totally disconnected from any politics, because the NHS is continually kept as a political football, and both sides use it as a leverage when it comes to GE.
Once the NHS is taken out of the hands of politics and lead by a non-political dedicated independent authority it might start to tick over.
Too much deadwood, too many pencil necks, too many managements, too much woke diversity nonsense, too many chiefs and not enough Indians, total chaos, that many fingers in that many pies I'm surprised the NHS has any money left to actually treat people, it's a bottomless pit, always has been, always will be, who ever is in government.
To be fair, that's pretty much true of every public body. I agree, the Home Office, HM Revenue & Customs are two other governmental departments run by the civil service that are not fit for purpose, the Home Office is running independently of this serving government as is basically being run by a third party, namely the lefty remoaners, the HO will get rid of any government minister who tells them to 'do as they are told'. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 7, 2024 18:00:04 GMT
The NHS has been asking for more money for the past 75 years - and in another 75 years it will still be asking for more money. That is where the money goes - on a Public Sector where productivity has collapsed. .would that be The NHS where a fair share of there the Money they received goes private health care providers where the Government has sourced health care to them . Well the largest expansion of private sector involvement in the NHS happened under New Labour - if you were not so dazzled by the sun shining out of Tony Blairs arse you might have noticed. well in this I am joined by Keir Starmer - hence why Labour have announced that there will be no change in their status. |
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Post by buryfc63 on Jan 7, 2024 18:49:24 GMT
.would that be The NHS where a fair share of there the Money they received goes private health care providers where the Government has sourced health care to them . Well the largest expansion of private sector involvement in the NHS happened under New Labour - if you were not so dazzled by the sun shining out of Tony Blairs arse you might have noticed. well in this I am joined by Keir Starmer - hence why Labour have announced that there will be no change in their status. Did the largest expansion of the private sector happen under Tony Blair. 2021 The Conservative’s Health and Care Bill revises the number of ICSs to 42. Each ICS board will serve private corporate interests, control all spending and decide what treatments to allow patients in their region. As with US ‘managed care’, the more private corporations cut and deny care, the more profit they’ll make. The Bill removes Section 75 of HSCA to allow private companies to be awarded £multi-billion contracts behind closed doors without competition, normalising what went on during the pandemic with PPE and Test & Trace. 2022 The Health and Care Act puts ICSs on a legal footing. From July 1st, ICSs start operating throughout England, effectively de-nationalising the English NHS. Waiting lists top 7 million, |
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Post by ratcliff on Jan 7, 2024 19:02:55 GMT
Well the largest expansion of private sector involvement in the NHS happened under New Labour - if you were not so dazzled by the sun shining out of Tony Blairs arse you might have noticed. well in this I am joined by Keir Starmer - hence why Labour have announced that there will be no change in their status. Did the largest expansion of the private sector happen under Tony Blair. 2021 The Conservative’s Health and Care Bill revises the number of ICSs to 42. Each ICS board will serve private corporate interests, control all spending and decide what treatments to allow patients in their region. As with US ‘managed care’, the more private corporations cut and deny care, the more profit they’ll make. The Bill removes Section 75 of HSCA to allow private companies to be awarded £multi-billion contracts behind closed doors without competition, normalising what went on during the pandemic with PPE and Test & Trace. 2022 The Health and Care Act puts ICSs on a legal footing. From July 1st, ICSs start operating throughout England, effectively de-nationalising the English NHS. Waiting lists top 7 million, Why do you lefties never post the source of your propaganda? Could it be because of embarrassment that it it generally comes from uber lefty activist websites? www.yournhsneedsyou.com |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2024 19:06:23 GMT
Yawn, just calling you out on your rampant dishonesty, as others have had to do in this very thread, But just ignore this and I will shut up. There is nothing new to add anyway. Blah fucking Blah. With such epic oratory, you put even Winston Churchill in the shade. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2024 19:19:42 GMT
Would that be The NHS that has Record waiting list and what Health experts say That underfunded to meet the needs of the NHS. And ever increasing health services contact to private hospitals issued by the Government. Think it is The NHS has been asking for more money for the past 75 years - and in another 75 years it will still be asking for more money. That is where the money goes - on a Public Sector where productivity has collapsed. Constant privatisations and marketisations have resulted in far more pen pushers, and much more money being siphoned off into the shareholder profits of those exploiting the service via PFI and other private sector inroads, with less money for frontline medical professionals. Add to that increasing demands on the health service due to population increases and ever more old people living longer, and the problem is easily discernible. Fewer pen pushers and more investment in frontline staff, rethinking private sector involvement and renegotiating some of the worst PFI deals should all be urgent matters. Also, those better off pensioners who can afford it and are living so much longer at the cost of often expensive health care should contribute a little more, by for example extending NI payments to all age groups with incomes large enough to pay it and not just the working age population. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 7, 2024 19:38:38 GMT
Did the largest expansion of the private sector happen under Tony Blair. 2021 The Conservative’s Health and Care Bill revises the number of ICSs to 42. Each ICS board will serve private corporate interests, control all spending and decide what treatments to allow patients in their region. As with US ‘managed care’, the more private corporations cut and deny care, the more profit they’ll make. The Bill removes Section 75 of HSCA to allow private companies to be awarded £multi-billion contracts behind closed doors without competition, normalising what went on during the pandemic with PPE and Test & Trace. 2022 The Health and Care Act puts ICSs on a legal footing. From July 1st, ICSs start operating throughout England, effectively de-nationalising the English NHS. Waiting lists top 7 million, Why do you lefties never post the source of your propaganda? Could it be because of embarrassment that it it generally comes from uber lefty activist websites? www.yournhsneedsyou.comAnd you provide evidence that the post is Wrong ? |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 7, 2024 19:57:17 GMT
Slim down the civil service.
Cut middle management from the NHS.
Get rid of dedicated HR staff (especially equality and diversity staff) and let Doctors and Nurses themselves do the hiring and firing.
Cut middle management from Defence.
Cut middle management from the Police.
Cut the national debt.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 7, 2024 22:39:38 GMT
The NHS has been asking for more money for the past 75 years - and in another 75 years it will still be asking for more money. That is where the money goes - on a Public Sector where productivity has collapsed. Add to that increasing demands on the health service due to population increases and ever more old people living longer, and the problem is easily discernible. Fewer pen pushers and more investment in frontline staff, rethinking private sector involvement and renegotiating some of the worst PFI deals should all be urgent matters. Also, those better off pensioners who can afford it and are living so much longer at the cost of often expensive health care should contribute a little more, by for example extending NI payments to all age groups with incomes large enough to pay it and not just the working age population. Well that is the constant whine from those that place the NHS on a pedestal - but then we see from around the globe other health systems that are funded to the same level (or even less) getting better results. The one thing all those other systems that do provide better outcomes have in common is that they have more private sector involvement. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2024 1:17:08 GMT
Constant privatisations and marketisations have resulted in far more pen pushers, and much more money being siphoned off into the shareholder profits of those exploiting the service via PFI and other private sector inroads, with less money for frontline medical professionals. Add to that increasing demands on the health service due to population increases and ever more old people living longer, and the problem is easily discernible. Fewer pen pushers and more investment in frontline staff, rethinking private sector involvement and renegotiating some of the worst PFI deals should all be urgent matters. Also, those better off pensioners who can afford it and are living so much longer at the cost of often expensive health care should contribute a little more, by for example extending NI payments to all age groups with incomes large enough to pay it and not just the working age population. Well that is the constant whine from those that place the NHS on a pedestal - but then we see from around the globe other health systems that are funded to the same level (or even less) getting better results. The one thing all those other systems that do provide better outcomes have in common is that they have more private sector involvement. Funny how private sector involvement here always seems to make things more shit then, isnt it? |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jan 8, 2024 7:11:06 GMT
With the increasing population putting money into the Government coppers And the highest tax Burnden in 40yrs. High foreign investment into the country . We have Record NHS waiting list.and Crumbling Schools. Im asking where is all the money going. Most of the population are net beneficiaries of the tax system. There's your answer. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 8, 2024 8:13:13 GMT
Well that is the constant whine from those that place the NHS on a pedestal - but then we see from around the globe other health systems that are funded to the same level (or even less) getting better results. The one thing all those other systems that do provide better outcomes have in common is that they have more private sector involvement. Funny how private sector involvement here always seems to make things more shit then, isnt it? Well you know that is not true..  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2024 8:53:50 GMT
Funny how private sector involvement here always seems to make things more shit then, isnt it? Well you know that is not true.. Sadly, it often is. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 8, 2024 8:57:17 GMT
Well you know that is not true.. Sadly, if often is. We can all remember the carnage on public companies take BMC and British rail for example. |
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