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Post by oracle75 on Jan 9, 2024 16:42:26 GMT
EUSSR says it wants a MILLION migrants every single YEAR: 'It's not enough'
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Post by zanygame on Jan 9, 2024 17:31:07 GMT
You can avoid taxes, you cannot avoid interest rates so that would be damaging to the economy for no reason at all. As for cheaper food and fuel for the low paid - I cant think of anything that would be a greater disincentive to work. You can't avoid taxes or no one would pay tax. And the poor still worked when food and fuel was cheaper. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 9, 2024 17:36:35 GMT
Thanks Jonsky. Really good article. Once you get past the Daily Express spin bit. Its about British industry saying there are big opportunities if the government starts lowering interest rates. Well yes I agree there. Raising interest rates to lower inflation caused by foreign oil, gas and food prices was stupid in the first place. Sure its stopped inflation but only by killing the economy. Clarification. The government do not control Inflation the control of inflation was handed to the Bank of England by Gordon Brown in order to stop governments using inflation and deflation (boom and bust) to control the economy. The aim was to help create a more stable economy. Clarification. If the government took the steps I suggested then the BofE wold not need to raise interest rates to stop inflation. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 9, 2024 17:44:21 GMT
Clarification. The government do not control Inflation the control of inflation was handed to the Bank of England by Gordon Brown in order to stop governments using inflation and deflation (boom and bust) to control the economy. The aim was to help create a more stable economy. Well, look how that's worked over the last decade, with appalling forecasting and policy records. The BoE has blamed just about everything else on inflation apart from itself. Living off ultra-low interest rates for the past last ten years to pumping billions upon billions into the economy has exacerbated inflation, not controlled it. you have a point, then make it with the BoE, not me. If you think the Boom and Bust economics last used by the Conservative party would have handled things better over the last decade, then I suggest that history proves you are wrong. Do you fancy Interest rates at 15% again? |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 9, 2024 17:46:12 GMT
Well, look how that's worked over the last decade, with appalling forecasting and policy records. The BoE has blamed just about everything else on inflation apart from itself. Living off ultra-low interest rates for the past last ten years to pumping billions upon billions into the economy has exacerbated inflation, not controlled it. you have a point, then make it with the BoE, not me. If you think the Boom and Bust economics last used by the Conservative party would have handled things better over the last decade, then I suggest that history proves you are wrong. Do you fancy Interest rates at 15% again? Depends if I'm borrowing or lending  |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 9, 2024 18:01:53 GMT
You can avoid taxes, you cannot avoid interest rates so that would be damaging to the economy for no reason at all. As for cheaper food and fuel for the low paid - I cant think of anything that would be a greater disincentive to work. You can't avoid taxes or no one would pay tax. And the poor still worked when food and fuel was cheaper. Of course you can avoid taxes - you can leave the country, reduce your hours, not take a promotion etc etc. For every increase in taxation there is a change in behaviour. If you supply cheap/subsidised food and fuel to poor people then it reduces the incentive to get a job or improve their existing job so that it pays more. It becomes just yet another marginal tax rate of which we already have too many - we should want to encourage work not give people a reason to reject work through the thought of losing benefits. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 9, 2024 19:13:40 GMT
You can't avoid taxes or no one would pay tax. And the poor still worked when food and fuel was cheaper. Of course you can avoid taxes - you can leave the country, reduce your hours, not take a promotion etc etc. For every increase in taxation there is a change in behaviour. Ah yes, so the rich will leave the country if asked to pay an extra 8k a year in tax for a couple of years. Get real. People will work less. Dear oh dear. They would be no better off than they were before the food got subsidised. The food and fuel would be the same price as they were before the Ukraine war. Why would they work less? Not to mention poor people don't stop wanting to get richer just because they earn a bit more. Poor people are not another species they are just rich people without a much money. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 9, 2024 22:27:00 GMT
Of course you can avoid taxes - you can leave the country, reduce your hours, not take a promotion etc etc. For every increase in taxation there is a change in behaviour. Ah yes, so the rich will leave the country if asked to pay an extra 8k a year in tax for a couple of years. Get real. People will work less. Dear oh dear. Who are you trying to kid?.  now you are becoming detached from reality. we already have problems with people refusing more than 16 hours work a week otherwise they lose benefits and now you want to make the situation worse with them losing access to cheap food and electricity as well. you really are against people having to work to support themselves - first you want to shower them with welfare so they dont work and then you want to tax them until the pips squeak so that any work they do is not worthwhile. Welcome to planet Zany where we can all tax ourselves to prosperity and nobody needs to work ever again. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 9, 2024 22:56:08 GMT
Well, look how that's worked over the last decade, with appalling forecasting and policy records. The BoE has blamed just about everything else on inflation apart from itself. Living off ultra-low interest rates for the past last ten years to pumping billions upon billions into the economy has exacerbated inflation, not controlled it. you have a point, then make it with the BoE, not me. If you think the Boom and Bust economics last used by the Conservative party would have handled things better over the last decade, then I suggest that history proves you are wrong. Do you fancy Interest rates at 15% again? I'm just "clarifying" that the BoE didn't have inflation under control as you put but moreover they exacerbated it. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 10, 2024 6:52:57 GMT
UK is outperforming Europe - a Labour Government would destroy our progress, says Daniel Kawczynski MP.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 10, 2024 9:36:59 GMT
Ah yes, so the rich will leave the country if asked to pay an extra 8k a year in tax for a couple of years. Get real. People will work less. Dear oh dear. No one. I know quite a few wealthy people and none would uproot their families homes, golf clubs, friends, weekend shooting, coastal second homes, to save 8k a year. Most spend more than that on just cleaning their homes. Your the one in la la land. People refuse to work more than 16 hours a week because the stupid benefits system means they would be no better off. Would you? Why would they lose access to cheap food and electricity. My suggestion would be that food and electricity be subsidised for the poorer. It would have nothing to do with their benefits. You're just making up your own rules. you really are against people having to work to support themselves - first you want to shower them with welfare so they dont work and then you want to tax them until the pips squeak so that any work they do is not worthwhile. Welcome to planet Zany where we can all tax ourselves to prosperity and nobody needs to work ever again. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 10, 2024 11:43:35 GMT
Your the one in la la land. People refuse to work more than 16 hours a week because the stupid benefits system means they would be no better off. Would you? Why would they lose access to cheap food and electricity. My suggestion would be that food and electricity be subsidised for the poorer. It would have nothing to do with their benefits. So you are proposing to set up a totally separate welfare system from the one that exists today simply to determine who is eligible for cheap food and electricity and not use the system we already have that determines who is poor enough for welfare.. Have you any conception of how much that would cost? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jan 10, 2024 12:41:38 GMT
EUSSR says it wants a MILLION migrants every single YEAR: 'It's not enough'
Not when your population is 448 million and birthrates are tumbling. If they want advise on how to do that best thing is to call on No. 10. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 12:59:45 GMT
UK is outperforming Europe - a Labour Government would destroy our progress, says Daniel Kawczynski MP.
And that's news because.....? Tory MP says a Labour government would be bad. Well no shit Sherlock. What else is a Tory MP ever going to say about the prospect of a Labour government? lol As news it is right up there with the pope announcing that he is catholic, and some bears have been found shitting in the woods. lol |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 10, 2024 13:07:43 GMT
Arguing over which politicians are best is like two dogs arguing over whose fleas are nicer.
None of them can be trusted with power.
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