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Post by zanygame on Jan 10, 2024 14:01:17 GMT
Your the one in la la land. People refuse to work more than 16 hours a week because the stupid benefits system means they would be no better off. Would you? Why would they lose access to cheap food and electricity. My suggestion would be that food and electricity be subsidised for the poorer. It would have nothing to do with their benefits. So you are proposing to set up a totally separate welfare system from the one that exists today simply to determine who is eligible for cheap food and electricity and not use the system we already have that determines who is poor enough for welfare.. Have you any conception of how much that would cost? I didn't propose a methodology. But if pressed I would price freeze staple foods and pay signed up supermarkets the difference. And fix the price on the 1st 6kwh of electricity used each day. Or raise taxes the the equivalent of what the mortgage rate rises are costing.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 10, 2024 14:05:31 GMT
Pay up Supermarkets? With what? Money has to come from somewhere. That requires taxes.
Subsidies are not a long term answer.
We subsidised everything during the worst of the Covid crisis but taxes are required to pay back debts.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 10, 2024 14:40:37 GMT
'Arrogant' EUSSR faces huge £370million bill as London office is abandoned after Brexit.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 10, 2024 19:28:06 GMT
Pay up Supermarkets? With what? Money has to come from somewhere. That requires taxes. Subsidies are not a long term answer. We subsidised everything during the worst of the Covid crisis but taxes are required to pay back debts. Yes Vinny. So does finding the money for £700 a month mortgage hikes I say a tax increase would cost the poor less and the rich more and have the same effect in slowing spending. Tell me why is it perfectly OK to slow spending by hitting the poor, but ridiculous to reduce spending by hitting the rich? In either case the ones in the middle would pay the same.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 10, 2024 20:47:34 GMT
I don't mind raising taxes for the richest. There should be tax cuts for the poor.
We should also use our independence to abolish tariffs on goods we do not make or grow, shouldn't we? And we haven't.
It's absurd to not use our new sovereign powers to help the poorest, isn't it?
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 11, 2024 9:13:35 GMT
I don't mind raising taxes for the richest. There should be tax cuts for the poor. We should also use our independence to abolish tariffs on goods we do not make or grow, shouldn't we? And we haven't. It's absurd to not use our new sovereign powers to help the poorest, isn't it? Almost all of UK production including textiles, food and construction contains material produced outside the UK. I would like to see a new monthly/yearly tax on second homes based on square footage. That would also stop property portfolios, release more for sale and deter the wealthy buying up property for investment and leaving it empty.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 11, 2024 9:48:23 GMT
Leaving the EU was the right thing to do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2024 12:40:14 GMT
So you are proposing to set up a totally separate welfare system from the one that exists today simply to determine who is eligible for cheap food and electricity and not use the system we already have that determines who is poor enough for welfare.. Have you any conception of how much that would cost? I didn't propose a methodology. But if pressed I would price freeze staple foods and pay signed up supermarkets the difference. And fix the price on the 1st 6kwh of electricity used each day. Or raise taxes the the equivalent of what the mortgage rate rises are costing. I have argued before that since the purpose of interest rate increases is to reduce inflationary pressures by taking money out of peoples pockets, interest rate hikes are actually a very unfair way of doing it because it is so hit and miss and takes no account of who has the most money to spend. It falls exclusively on mortgage payers and holders of other debts, some of both groups struggling financially already. Buy to let landlords inevitably try to pass some of these increased costs onto tenants via big rent hikes, hitting some of the poorest. Whilst those with the most wealth are far more likely to remain untouched and indeed be net gainers from the rate rises. And the additional moneys extracted do little more socially constructive than increase the profits of banks and other lenders. Raising taxes temporarily instead of interest rates would be far more effective and far fairer, exempting the poor entirely, whilst everyone else pays more or less according to their wealth levels or income streams. And the monies raised could be used for social good that would benefit us in the medium to long term, eg by building social housing. As opposed to merely boosting bankers' profits. Instead of using interest rates to dampen demand, we could use an anti-inflation levy on incomes, applied when inflation is too high and set at the necessary level to be effective, then reduced, ideally back to zero when inflation is under control. Interest rates meanwhile can stay low with businesses still able to borrow cheaply for investment. It actually makes far more economic sense to anyone not prone to kneejerk and/or ideologically driven responses.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 11, 2024 14:15:41 GMT
I don't mind raising taxes for the richest. There should be tax cuts for the poor. We should also use our independence to abolish tariffs on goods we do not make or grow, shouldn't we? And we haven't. It's absurd to not use our new sovereign powers to help the poorest, isn't it? We are helping the poor tho Vinny. The problem is they are not Brits....
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Post by see2 on Jan 11, 2024 14:47:09 GMT
Leaving the EU was the right thing to do. In the mind of some, I suspect it will take sometime, if ever, before that becomes the norm.
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Post by see2 on Jan 11, 2024 14:54:43 GMT
IF you have a point, then make it with the BoE, not me. If you think the Boom and Bust economics last used by the Conservative party would have handled things better over the last decade, then I suggest that history proves you are wrong. Do you fancy Interest rates at 15% again? I'm just "clarifying" that the BoE didn't have inflation under control as you put but moreover they exacerbated it. You are misinterpreting my comment, the BoE have the control over inflation, whether they control it rightly or wrongly is a different debate.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 11, 2024 15:44:24 GMT
Interest rate hikes encourage saving, therefore keeping money in people's pockets.
For too long the credit card has been forefront of public spending. It is not a very good way of buying.
Living within your means is better.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 11, 2024 15:45:04 GMT
I don't mind raising taxes for the richest. There should be tax cuts for the poor. We should also use our independence to abolish tariffs on goods we do not make or grow, shouldn't we? And we haven't. It's absurd to not use our new sovereign powers to help the poorest, isn't it? We are helping the poor tho Vinny. The problem is they are not Brits.... Many illegal immigrants pay thousands to get here, illegal economic migrants are not poor.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 11, 2024 16:14:08 GMT
We are helping the poor tho Vinny. The problem is they are not Brits.... Many illegal immigrants pay thousands to get here, illegal economic migrants are not poor. I fully agree mate but they still want to be put up in the best hotels at the taxpayers expense.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 11, 2024 17:04:43 GMT
They should be put up in tents or Nissen huts on a remote Scottish island...
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