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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 17:22:43 GMT
It's all by the by anyway. We've left and we're not going back.  hold my beer Vinny........! |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 27, 2024 17:29:53 GMT
The country has voted.
17.41 million to 16.1 million.
We're out.
The EU is undergoing a treaty change and so is currently in a state of flux.
They won't be taking on new members until the treaties have changed.
A new membership referendum is not in Labour's manifesto.
No going back for the foreseeable future.
Independence baby. Yeah!
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 17:33:07 GMT
The country has voted. 17.41 million to 16.1 million. We're out. The EU is undergoing a treaty change and so is currently in a state of flux. They won't be taking on new members until the treaties have changed. A new membership referendum is not in Labour's manifesto. No going back for the foreseeable future. Independence baby. Yeah! sir keir says no previous parliament can bind. a future parliament , and you are going back in Vinny. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 27, 2024 17:34:11 GMT
The Welsh decide their own policies just as the Scots do. The Welsh and the Scots have their own governments. The Welsh will decide which of the politics on offer is best for them, not to be influenced by people like you or me. Perhaps the alternative to Labour in Wales is just too bad to be contemplated by the Welsh. Sadly both Wales and scotland , whether you like it or not , are part of the current disunited kingdom , vote in Westminster elections too , and are relevant to the discussion of. labour past and current inglorious history in governance. Do you have a parliament in Scotland? You are so full of bar room bias, you have no idea of the good done by New Labour. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 27, 2024 17:34:54 GMT
Thank goodness for the ignore button.
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Post by see2 on Jan 27, 2024 17:40:40 GMT
The country has voted. 17.41 million to 16.1 million. We're out. The EU is undergoing a treaty change and so is currently in a state of flux. They won't be taking on new members until the treaties have changed. A new membership referendum is not in Labour's manifesto. No going back for the foreseeable future. Independence baby. Yeah! Seven years on and despite having to make some agreements with the EU the Irish problem IIRC has yet to be fully finalized. Even so, I recon you have still got another 30 odd years to make it work, before requesting membership of the EU. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 27, 2024 17:42:21 GMT
Thank goodness for the ignore button. What a sad comment to make. |
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Post by borchester on Jan 27, 2024 17:42:43 GMT
The usual modest wager Tommy...
I reckon that come the the General Election Sir Stodge will win by a landslide, but if he makes any move towards the EU other than taking Vickie on a saucy weekend to Paris, I bet that he will be out of office within 43 days.
If you win I will spend £20 on food for the local wildlife. If I win you do the same.
I hate taking money off you borkie , but I know the stupidity of labour better than you , and I bet you a forty that the uk will be in some from of BRINO deal behind the Brussels bike sheds within the term of the next parliament if its headed by a labour government. All donations sent to fanny hill , aka HMP Cornton Vale , and inmate Nicola sturgeon for her slush fund. Ok. I would rather spend the money on willdlife, but I suppose that Wee Krankie counts as such  |
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 18:35:46 GMT
Sadly both Wales and scotland , whether you like it or not , are part of the current disunited kingdom , vote in Westminster elections too , and are relevant to the discussion of. labour past and current inglorious history in governance. Do you have a parliament in Scotland? what a stupid fucking question. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 18:36:54 GMT
Thank goodness for the ignore button. are you going to fight the Russian and kill invaders with an ignore button Vinny? If you can't stand under your flag and debate on a silly interwebby forum , I dont hold much hope in real life of you defending yourself or your country. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 18:41:03 GMT
I hate taking money off you borkie , but I know the stupidity of labour better than you , and I bet you a forty that the uk will be in some from of BRINO deal behind the Brussels bike sheds within the term of the next parliament if its headed by a labour government. All donations sent to fanny hill , aka HMP Cornton Vale , and inmate Nicola sturgeon for her slush fund. Ok. I would rather spend the money on willdlife, but I suppose that Wee Krankie counts as such I do laugh on this forum at times. Vinny apparently alleges he has me on ignore , but likes a post of yours displaying my comments , the very comments he is trying to ignore. Honestly , borkie , I dont think much of some of your fellow countrymen . ...but aye , for forty quid you could put a score on krankie , and a score on the wildlife . You know you have a habit of losing these wee wagers borkie , but hey ho. The gamblers never learns.  |
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Post by see2 on Jan 28, 2024 10:51:49 GMT
Do you have a parliament in Scotland? what a stupid fucking question. You mean the answer scuppers all the nonsense you have posted about Welsh Labour being a blueprint for English Labour. (the Welsh also have their own parliament.) |
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Post by thomas on Jan 28, 2024 10:57:35 GMT
what a stupid fucking question. You mean the answer scuppers all the nonsense you have posted about Welsh Labour being a blueprint for English Labour. (the Welsh also have their own parliament.) welsh labour are simply the British Labour Party in Wales. We know this , as a succession of Scottish labour leaders , from Wendy Alexander , kezia dug dale , Johann Lamont etc etc have all complained they are not free to set devolved policy , and that they are informed from London of policy which they then have to implement. Johan Lamont even complained one of her aides was sacked by London without her knowledge or approval. So of course labour in Wales is a blueprint for labour in scotland and England. They are one and the same party , with the head of the party in London. So as I said , what a stupid fucking comment. Must try harder see 2. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 28, 2024 11:11:50 GMT
You mean the answer scuppers all the nonsense you have posted about Welsh Labour being a blueprint for English Labour. (the Welsh also have their own parliament.) welsh labour are simply the British Labour Party in Wales. We know this , as a succession of Scottish labour leaders , from Wendy Alexander , kezia dug dale , Johann Lamont etc etc have all complained they are not free to set devolved policy , and that they are informed from London of policy which they then have to implement. Johan Lamont even complained one of her aides was sacked by London without her knowledge or approval. So of course labour in Wales is a blueprint for labour in scotland and England. They are one and the same party , with the head of the party in London. So as I said , what a stupid fucking comment. Must try harder see 2. But you haven't even started to try. --"The Senedd, officially known as the Welsh Parliament in English and Senedd Cymru in Welsh, is the devolved, unicameral legislature of Wales. A democratically elected body, it makes laws for Wales, agrees to certain taxes, and scrutinises the Welsh Government. It is a bilingual institution, with both Welsh and English being the official languages of its business. From its creation in May 1999 until May 2020, the Senedd was known as the National Assembly for Wales. The Queen officially (re)opened the Senedd in 2021. The Welsh Government is the devolved government of Wales. The government consists of ministers and deputy ministers. It is led by the first minister, usually the leader of the largest party in the Senedd, who selects ministers and deputy ministers with the approval of the Senedd. The government is responsible for tabling policy in devolved areas for consideration by the Senedd and implementing policy that has been approved by it. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 28, 2024 11:23:50 GMT
You mean the answer scuppers all the nonsense you have posted about Welsh Labour being a blueprint for English Labour. (the Welsh also have their own parliament.) welsh labour are simply the British Labour Party in Wales. We know this , as a succession of Scottish labour leaders , from Wendy Alexander , kezia dug dale , Johann Lamont etc etc have all complained they are not free to set devolved policy , and that they are informed from London of policy which they then have to implement. Johan Lamont even complained one of her aides was sacked by London without her knowledge or approval. So of course labour in Wales is a blueprint for labour in scotland and England. They are one and the same party , with the head of the party in London. So as I said , what a stupid fucking comment. Must try harder see 2. --"The following things are not devolved, and HM government remains responsible for them: the constitution international relations and defence national security nationality and immigration nuclear energy broadcasting the UK tax system employment and social security (except Northern Ireland) The devolution settlements are complex and are all different. That said, broadly speaking, the following things are devolved in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland: health and social care education and training local government and housing agriculture, forestry and fisheries the environment and planning tourism, sport and heritage economic development and internal transport |
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