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Post by see2 on Jan 27, 2024 13:32:16 GMT
I know that devolution hands control over to the devolved group. I am not remotely concerned about what Labour control, elected by Welsh people, do in Wales. I live in England, I'm 4rth generation English. I am concerned with what laws and regulations Parliament imposes on me. Aye....I bet you aren't concerned. There's plenty of non welsh people on these threads who consistently ask why if labour can't do much good in the one fiefdom they are in charge ,why should we elect them elsewhere based on their past and present puerile records of failure? There are different areas in all political parties, and the area apparently being offered by Labour at the next election has a good history in the past. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 27, 2024 13:34:41 GMT
I lived in a gorgeous Welsh Valley complete with a local pottery, small river floating through and houses dotted about the hillsides, back in the 1940s, safe from Hitler's bombs. So my vote is to keep a welcome in the hillsides and keep a welcome in the vales.  I thought you weren't remotely concerned about the welsh earlier...? Context, Welsh politics, very different to Welsh hillsides. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 13:39:26 GMT
Aye....I bet you aren't concerned. There's plenty of non welsh people on these threads who consistently ask why if labour can't do much good in the one fiefdom they are in charge ,why should we elect them elsewhere based on their past and present puerile records of failure? There are different areas in all political parties, and the area apparently being offered by Labour at the next election has a good history in the past. eh? What exactly are you gibbering about now you silly old sod. Labour are standing at the next election in all the British constituencies are they not? So this concerns us all , including the good people of Wales. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 13:40:32 GMT
I thought you weren't remotely concerned about the welsh earlier...? Context, Welsh politics, very different to Welsh hillsides. so you just want their country , not their opinion on politics , especially where it concerns labours mismanagement of the welsh nation? Im not surprised. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 27, 2024 13:42:30 GMT
Operation Black Vote was supported by David Cameron in 2016, he'd hoped to use it to bolster the remain vote. He didn't expect large numbers of Black and Asian ethnic minorities not liking the EU and voting leave. Probably not Dopey Dave's smartest idea, but then again he never had many of them.
An extremely unscientific poll among my Black and Asian friends reveals sympathy for Brexit and the need for more ethnic policemen to hand out backhanders to wayward youth when necessary (which they deem most of the time)
I have experienced similar. Medically trained black friends are pro Brexit, a medically trained white friend is not, even though he concedes that the EU desperately needs reform.
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 15:15:59 GMT
Probably not Dopey Dave's smartest idea, but then again he never had many of them.
An extremely unscientific poll among my Black and Asian friends reveals sympathy for Brexit and the need for more ethnic policemen to hand out backhanders to wayward youth when necessary (which they deem most of the time)
I have experienced similar. Medically trained black friends are pro Brexit, a medically trained white friend is not, even though he concedes that the EU desperately needs reform.
I fink you are making that up Vincent. You are in denial about the inevitability of starmers upcoming coronation , and return to the EU. I feel your pain , honest. telling porkies though about black friends while ignoring the 73% who voted remain isnt the way to go though. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 27, 2024 15:44:21 GMT
No idea what was posted.
But the country voted to leave the EU and we have.
And independence from the EU has been rather good so far.
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Post by borchester on Jan 27, 2024 15:54:46 GMT
I have experienced similar. Medically trained black friends are pro Brexit, a medically trained white friend is not, even though he concedes that the EU desperately needs reform.
I fink you are making that up Vincent. You are in denial about the inevitability of starmers upcoming coronation , and return to the EU. I feel your pain , honest. telling porkies though about black friends while ignoring the 73% who voted remain isnt the way to go though. Or maybe we know different ethnics Tommy.
Once again, a highly unscientific poll, but in London I found that most of my white, middle class friends voted Remain. They liked the status quo. The ethnics on the other hand, veered towards Brexit.
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 16:04:26 GMT
I fink you are making that up Vincent. You are in denial about the inevitability of starmers upcoming coronation , and return to the EU. I feel your pain , honest. telling porkies though about black friends while ignoring the 73% who voted remain isnt the way to go though. Or maybe we know different ethnics Tommy.
Once again, a highly unscientific poll, but in London I found that most of my white, middle class friends voted Remain. They liked the status quo. The ethnics on the other hand, veered towards Brexit.
I thought 70 % of new ham is non white , but they had a massive 53 % remain vote there? I think you pulling my leg borkie. The ethnics liked remain mate. the dreams dying , sir stodge is on the case , and he has the red passport ready for you and the eu courts. |
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Post by borchester on Jan 27, 2024 16:39:51 GMT
Or maybe we know different ethnics Tommy.
Once again, a highly unscientific poll, but in London I found that most of my white, middle class friends voted Remain. They liked the status quo. The ethnics on the other hand, veered towards Brexit.
I thought 70 % of new ham is non white , but they had a massive 53 % remain vote there? I think you pulling my leg borkie. The ethnics liked remain mate. the dreams dying , sir stodge is on the case , and he has the red passport ready for you and the eu courts. The usual modest wager Tommy...
I reckon that come the the General Election Sir Stodge will win by a landslide, but if he makes any move towards the EU other than taking Vickie on a saucy weekend to Paris, I bet that he will be out of office within 43 days.
If you win I will spend £20 on food for the local wildlife. If I win you do the same.
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Post by see2 on Jan 27, 2024 16:41:26 GMT
There are different areas in all political parties, and the area apparently being offered by Labour at the next election has a good history in the past. eh? What exactly are you gibbering about now you silly old sod. Labour are standing at the next election in all the British constituencies are they not? So this concerns us all , including the good people of Wales. You know what I'm on about, The UK government does not control everything in either Scotland or Wales. Yours and theirs, locally elected make up their parliament. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 27, 2024 16:52:28 GMT
Context, Welsh politics, very different to Welsh hillsides. so you just want their country , not their opinion on politics , especially where it concerns labours mismanagement of the welsh nation? Im not surprised. The Welsh decide their own policies just as the Scots do. The Welsh and the Scots have their own governments. The Welsh will decide which of the politics on offer is best for them, not to be influenced by people like you or me. Perhaps the alternative to Labour in Wales is just too bad to be contemplated by the Welsh. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 17:10:28 GMT
I thought 70 % of new ham is non white , but they had a massive 53 % remain vote there? I think you pulling my leg borkie. The ethnics liked remain mate. the dreams dying , sir stodge is on the case , and he has the red passport ready for you and the eu courts. The usual modest wager Tommy...
I reckon that come the the General Election Sir Stodge will win by a landslide, but if he makes any move towards the EU other than taking Vickie on a saucy weekend to Paris, I bet that he will be out of office within 43 days.
If you win I will spend £20 on food for the local wildlife. If I win you do the same.
I hate taking money off you borkie , but I know the stupidity of labour better than you , and I bet you a forty that the uk will be in some from of BRINO deal behind the Brussels bike sheds within the term of the next parliament if its headed by a labour government. All donations sent to fanny hill , aka HMP Cornton Vale , and inmate Nicola sturgeon for her slush fund. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 17:12:50 GMT
so you just want their country , not their opinion on politics , especially where it concerns labours mismanagement of the welsh nation? Im not surprised. The Welsh decide their own policies just as the Scots do. The Welsh and the Scots have their own governments. The Welsh will decide which of the politics on offer is best for them, not to be influenced by people like you or me. Perhaps the alternative to Labour in Wales is just too bad to be contemplated by the Welsh. Sadly both Wales and scotland , whether you like it or not , are part of the current disunited kingdom , vote in Westminster elections too , and are relevant to the discussion of. labour past and current inglorious history in governance. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 27, 2024 17:19:29 GMT
Another good thing that has come from our departure.
The EU is reforming in a way that it never otherwise would have.
The Commission's powers of legislative initiative are being transferred to the Parliament.
And the body is being replaced by a smaller executive of 17 people.
Vetoes are out, so the Brussels Strasbourg merry go round will end.
Who knows what the organisation will look like in five years time.
But, if they'd reformed when David Cameron had asked them to, we might have voted to stay.
And again, who knows what it would have looked like if they'd reformed a decade ago?
National governments would have got their sovereignty back.
Free movement would have been replaced with earned movement perhaps?
It's all by the by anyway.
We've left and we're not going back.
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