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Post by jonksy on Jan 22, 2024 15:42:03 GMT
UK Economy expected to grow by 0.9% in 2024 in major boost to Rishi Sunak's Government ahead of general election later this year....
Growing because he's going. So is the EUSSR....They are destroying themsemves. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2024 17:26:36 GMT
Growing because he's going. So is the EUSSR....They are destroying themsemves. This is so you, Jokesy....  |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 22, 2024 17:43:26 GMT
UK Economy expected to grow by 0.9% in 2024 in major boost to Rishi Sunak's Government ahead of general election later this year....
Growing because he's going. Nope, it's growing because the Private Sector is doing well. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 22, 2024 17:55:10 GMT
Growing because he's going. Nope, it's growing because the Private Sector is doing well. Yeah sure. Look over there.. A host of silver aardvarks dancing the cancan while singing the messiah. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 22, 2024 18:13:18 GMT
There is no net gain - the official cost/benefit analysis for the project says that it will cost more than than any gains.
It gives HS2’s central benefit-cost ratio (BCR)
as 0.9.36 (The calculation includes Phases 1, 2a and 2b to Manchester but
excludes the remaining section of the Eastern leg from the West Midlands
to the East Midlands, for which a price has not yet been set.)
In other words, HS2 will cost more to build than the value of the
benefits it delivers. Every £1 of taxpayers’ money spent will return only
90p worth of benefitspolicyexchange.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/HS2-The-kindest-cut-of-all.pdfIt doesn't mention a time period. Will cost more to build than the value of the benefits it delivers by 20??If it is subsidised (as it will be) then the costs do not reduce - they continue to grow exponentially. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 22, 2024 18:39:51 GMT
It doesn't mention a time period. Will cost more to build than the value of the benefits it delivers by 20??If it is subsidised (as it will be) then the costs do not reduce - they continue to grow exponentially. Don't be silly. Roads are subsidised forever, doesn't mean they don't contribute positively to the economy. Try and separate 'build costs' from 'running costs' |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 22, 2024 18:50:58 GMT
If it is subsidised (as it will be) then the costs do not reduce - they continue to grow exponentially. Don't be silly. Roads are subsidised forever, doesn't mean they don't contribute positively to the economy. Try and separate 'build costs' from 'running costs' Roads are not subsidised - the receipts from VAT on vehicles, Road tax and Fuel duty is massively over what is spent on the roads. Driving on the roads subsidies other areas of the economy, trains perhaps. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 22, 2024 18:54:20 GMT
Nope, it's growing because the Private Sector is doing well. Yeah sure. Look over there.. A host of silver aardvarks dancing the cancan while singing the messiah. Without the Private Sector there is no economy. The Private Sector provides the tax, the government spends it. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 22, 2024 19:22:22 GMT
So is the EUSSR....They are destroying themsemves. This is so you, Jokesy.... View AttachmentAnd this is so you...
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Post by zanygame on Jan 22, 2024 19:30:55 GMT
Don't be silly. Roads are subsidised forever, doesn't mean they don't contribute positively to the economy. Try and separate 'build costs' from 'running costs' Roads are not subsidised - the receipts from VAT on vehicles, Road tax and Fuel duty is massively over what is spent on the roads. Driving on the roads subsidies other areas of the economy, trains perhaps. What next VAT on tractors subsidises farming. How tenuous can you get. Roads are not tolled, so they are paid for out of the public purse, doesn't matter how. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 22, 2024 19:31:58 GMT
Oh SO true. on here.  |
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Post by thomas on Jan 22, 2024 19:35:24 GMT
Steve with respect you can't just dismiss anything you don't agree with as a tory sounding view. It is a fact to point out that the minimum wage has becomes the maximum wage for many low paid workers. this may or may not sound like a tory view , but its fact nonetheless. I don't personally believe government should be setting minimum wages and increasing it year in year out , in a general catch all approach irrespective of how different industries are doing , and how the economy is fairing. the point I was going to make though outside of our own experiences and personal views ( ive been on low wages at times in my life) is that lauding labour for the minimum wages with their history , especially how they have behaved in Scotland is laughable. To get back to labour being the defenders of the low paid in terms of the minimum wage and assorted wage legislation .. labour refused to support the devolution of employment law to Scotland , where the minimum wage could be set from Holyrood , labour promised to ban zero hour contracts , but did nothing about it when in power , labour as ive told you before fought tooth and nail in Glasgow and Birmingham to stop equal pay to female council workers , spending millions in the court and bankrupting brmingham council In the process , while the snp had to flog off buildings in Glasgow to pay the claims labour left , and the snp government lifted public sector pay freezes while labour implemented them in Wales , while demanding the tories and snp lifted them in places where they weren't in power. despite my personal views on the minimum wage , I get really angry with labour trying to paint themselves as the defender of the working man. its with an uncanny consistency that labour both old and new , and some of their supporters ( not a personal comment at you) advocates all these left wing policies only when it isn't in a situation to implement them. When it is , it often regularly ignores . I do not have the psychic energy for a prolonged disagreement with you, so will probably let you have the last word. But what you have said, the bit I have emboldened, is logical nonsense. It is perfectly legal to pay more than the minimum wage, so how can it be a maximum? It is illegal to pay less. That is why it is a minimum wage and not a maximum wage. Many on minimum wage are actually being paid more than they would be if it didnt exist. I am on more than the minimum wage, but every time the minimum wage goes up close to our level, my employer feels the need to raise our pay too to keep us substantially above the minimum level. So the minimum wage is proving to be anything but a maximum for us. I said your arguments sounded like Tory arguments just because some of them have said similar things in order to criticise the very concept of a minimum wage. But if you think abolishing it would result in big pay increases I think you are being dishonest with yourself if not with me. ok Steve , fair enough. I too am not going to get into a long winded argument regarding the minimum wage. Im simply offering my own opinion , and further rubbishing the fact labour are somehow the champions of the downtrodden wage earner. They aren't. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2024 21:10:58 GMT
I do not have the psychic energy for a prolonged disagreement with you, so will probably let you have the last word. But what you have said, the bit I have emboldened, is logical nonsense. It is perfectly legal to pay more than the minimum wage, so how can it be a maximum? It is illegal to pay less. That is why it is a minimum wage and not a maximum wage. Many on minimum wage are actually being paid more than they would be if it didnt exist. I am on more than the minimum wage, but every time the minimum wage goes up close to our level, my employer feels the need to raise our pay too to keep us substantially above the minimum level. So the minimum wage is proving to be anything but a maximum for us. I said your arguments sounded like Tory arguments just because some of them have said similar things in order to criticise the very concept of a minimum wage. But if you think abolishing it would result in big pay increases I think you are being dishonest with yourself if not with me. ok Steve , fair enough. I too am not going to get into a long winded argument regarding the minimum wage. Im simply offering my own opinion , and further rubbishing the fact labour are somehow the champions of the downtrodden wage earner. They aren't.They ceased to be that when New Labour took over. They are in fact now the party of affluent middle class liberal homeowners who have done well out of the Thacherite status quo, and hold the workers largely in contempt. They have bought into the thatcherite economic consensus lock, stock and barrel, and are currently run by a bunch of charlatans, shysters, and proven liars. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2024 21:12:45 GMT
Indeed. As your sudden reappearance has so eloquently reminded me... |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 22, 2024 22:06:54 GMT
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