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Post by jonksy on Jan 22, 2024 8:12:08 GMT
We tend to sit on opposite sides of the political spectrum, but I can see you have a point. It is far too difficult to build in this country. How we release restraints in a guided way so it is not a total free for all is the tricky thing to get right. But it does need to be made a lot easier. It most certainly is. HS2 is costing £66 Billion for a project that reduces travel times on half the route by 20 minutes and increases travel times on the rest of the route by 5 minutes..  The Thames Estuary crossing is still in the planning stage but has cost £800 Million on planning paperwork alone - a planning application 359,000 pages long. And this for a tunnel that nobody is going to see because it is a tunnel.... Secret government talks are being held next week to get the scrapped HS2 high-speed rail link back on track. A cross-party plan has been drawn up to complete the northern stretch of the line, ensuring the private sector foots most of the massive bill – not taxpayers.... |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 22, 2024 8:33:48 GMT
Well I would point out that it was the post-war Labour Government that introduced planning restrictions - the right-wing neoliberal view is to blow up the Town and Country Planning Act 1947 and allow a return to the pre-war situation where builders built to meet demand. But as that would mean that Government bureaucrats lost power that probably is not going to happen.. We tend to sit on opposite sides of the political spectrum, but I can see you have a point. It is far too difficult to build in this country. How we release restraints in a guided way so it is not a total free for all is the tricky thing to get right. But it does need to be made a lot easier. I would like to see the new Labour government introduce the right for councils to allow planning permission on land released specifically for social housing with a cap on the price per acre. (Say £50,000 per acre. ) This would be agricultural land currently valued at circa £11,000 an acre. Whereas building land is circa £600,000 an acre. This imbalance is purely the result of deliberate restrictions in planning. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 22, 2024 8:35:14 GMT
It most certainly is. HS2 is costing £66 Billion for a project that reduces travel times on half the route by 20 minutes and increases travel times on the rest of the route by 5 minutes.. The Thames Estuary crossing is still in the planning stage but has cost £800 Million on planning paperwork alone - a planning application 359,000 pages long. And this for a tunnel that nobody is going to see because it is a tunnel.... Secret government talks are being held next week to get the scrapped HS2 high-speed rail link back on track. A cross-party plan has been drawn up to complete the northern stretch of the line, ensuring the private sector foots most of the massive bill – not taxpayers.... It worked for the Channel tunnel. If you spread the cost over enough decades. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 22, 2024 8:37:41 GMT
Secret government talks are being held next week to get the scrapped HS2 high-speed rail link back on track. A cross-party plan has been drawn up to complete the northern stretch of the line, ensuring the private sector foots most of the massive bill – not taxpayers.... It worked for the Channel tunnel. If you spread the cost over enough decades. It could well work zany provding greed doesn't take a hold. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 22, 2024 8:39:10 GMT
It most certainly is. HS2 is costing £66 Billion for a project that reduces travel times on half the route by 20 minutes and increases travel times on the rest of the route by 5 minutes.. The Thames Estuary crossing is still in the planning stage but has cost £800 Million on planning paperwork alone - a planning application 359,000 pages long. And this for a tunnel that nobody is going to see because it is a tunnel.... Secret government talks are being held next week to get the scrapped HS2 high-speed rail link back on track. A cross-party plan has been drawn up to complete the northern stretch of the line, ensuring the private sector foots most of the massive bill – not taxpayers.... I don't see how that works considering that the line is going to be subsidised - the private sector might get involved if there is a decent return but is there the will to throw even more taxpayers money at the scheme? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 22, 2024 8:41:07 GMT
It worked for the Channel tunnel. If you spread the cost over enough decades. It could well work zany provding greed doesn't take a hold. The Channel Tunnel is profitable |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 22, 2024 8:41:21 GMT
It worked for the Channel tunnel. If you spread the cost over enough decades. It could well work zany provding greed doesn't take a hold. Greed always takes hold. competition controls it. I wouldn't even mind if the government put the capital in to the project. Provided it was then run like a business. At the moment our railways have little or no competition with lines allocated to individual suppliers. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 22, 2024 8:43:26 GMT
Secret government talks are being held next week to get the scrapped HS2 high-speed rail link back on track. A cross-party plan has been drawn up to complete the northern stretch of the line, ensuring the private sector foots most of the massive bill – not taxpayers.... I don't see how that works considering that the line is going to be subsidised - the private sector might get involved if there is a decent return but is there the will to throw even more taxpayers money at the scheme? Our roads are paid for by the tax payer, but the greater picture is the net gain for the country. HS2 could be subsidised partially and still make profit for the country. Not saying it will, just that it could. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 22, 2024 8:44:47 GMT
It could well work zany provding greed doesn't take a hold. Greed always takes hold. competition controls it. I wouldn't even mind if the government put the capital in to the project. Provided it was then run like a business. At the moment our railways have little or no competition with lines allocated to individual suppliers. Personaly I think we should upgrade what we have rather than funding khan's mishandling of londonistan. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 22, 2024 9:59:14 GMT
Greed always takes hold. competition controls it. I wouldn't even mind if the government put the capital in to the project. Provided it was then run like a business. At the moment our railways have little or no competition with lines allocated to individual suppliers. Personaly I think we should upgrade what we have rather than funding khan's mishandling of londonistan. They're not mutually exclusive. I would like the slightly slower (And much cheaper) HS2 version, then the saved money spent upgrading. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 22, 2024 11:04:50 GMT
UK Economy expected to grow by 0.9% in 2024 in major boost to Rishi Sunak's Government ahead of general election later this year....
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 22, 2024 11:56:15 GMT
I don't see how that works considering that the line is going to be subsidised - the private sector might get involved if there is a decent return but is there the will to throw even more taxpayers money at the scheme? Our roads are paid for by the tax payer, but the greater picture is the net gain for the country. HS2 could be subsidised partially and still make profit for the country. Not saying it will, just that it could. There is no net gain - the official cost/benefit analysis for the project says that it will cost more than than any gains.
It gives HS2’s central benefit-cost ratio (BCR)
as 0.9.36 (The calculation includes Phases 1, 2a and 2b to Manchester but
excludes the remaining section of the Eastern leg from the West Midlands
to the East Midlands, for which a price has not yet been set.)
In other words, HS2 will cost more to build than the value of the
benefits it delivers. Every £1 of taxpayers’ money spent will return only
90p worth of benefitspolicyexchange.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/HS2-The-kindest-cut-of-all.pdf |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 22, 2024 12:03:34 GMT
I don't see how that works considering that the line is going to be subsidised - the private sector might get involved if there is a decent return but is there the will to throw even more taxpayers money at the scheme? Our roads are paid for by the tax payer, but the greater picture is the net gain for the country. HS2 could be subsidised partially and still make profit for the country. Not saying it will, just that it could. The roads are paid for by those that use them the most namely motorists and haulage and not by all taxpayers. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 22, 2024 14:47:48 GMT
UK Economy expected to grow by 0.9% in 2024 in major boost to Rishi Sunak's Government ahead of general election later this year....
Growing because he's going. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 22, 2024 14:53:18 GMT
Our roads are paid for by the tax payer, but the greater picture is the net gain for the country. HS2 could be subsidised partially and still make profit for the country. Not saying it will, just that it could. There is no net gain - the official cost/benefit analysis for the project says that it will cost more than than any gains.
It gives HS2’s central benefit-cost ratio (BCR)
as 0.9.36 (The calculation includes Phases 1, 2a and 2b to Manchester but
excludes the remaining section of the Eastern leg from the West Midlands
to the East Midlands, for which a price has not yet been set.)
In other words, HS2 will cost more to build than the value of the
benefits it delivers. Every £1 of taxpayers’ money spent will return only
90p worth of benefitspolicyexchange.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/HS2-The-kindest-cut-of-all.pdfIt doesn't mention a time period. Will cost more to build than the value of the benefits it delivers by 20?? |
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