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Post by sandypine on Jan 18, 2024 20:29:32 GMT
No one can agree with making it a better place??? It has been throughout history of the democratic world that your elected leader represents the nation on the international stage or appoints someone to do so. NATO The UN. The G7, 8 and 20. The World Bank International Court of Human Rights To name a few. It is a fundamental principle of international democratic cooperation. However the rules within all of those groups are a little more tenuous, item specific and less binding than being part of a giant bureaucracy that was allowed to make a multitude of regulations as regards ever increasing aspects of our lives over which our parliament had little control. I am not sure the ECHR is a good example as that is seen by many as interference within the confines of our own laws. Too often law and laws are used by the powerful to oppress the weak and removing democratic control of those laws or distancing the electorate from those laws aids that process.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 18, 2024 20:34:30 GMT
1,Interest rate rises are good for savers. 2, Get people to stop borrowing and start saving. 3,Cut the number of university places but make tuition free for STEM subjects. 4, Do more FTAs to lower food prices. 5, Create a team of experts to study the subsidies for agriculture, to examine what is needed and what isn't. Gear the system towards the needs of common farmers and the environment, not the supermarkets and not rich landowners. 6, Build more 3 & 4 bedroom houses and industrial estates to reduce house price inflation and lower unemployment further. 1, If people stop borrowing what do savers do with their money? I say invest. I mean really invest, not make profit from a young person trying to get a home, but with a bit of risk in a new company making great things for Great Britain. 2, Help people o borrow less. 3, Agreed. 4, Free up land in the UK for the population to walk in. (Makes us more dependent of foreign countries but there's plenty making food so its not like oil. 5, See 4. 6, YES! You sure you're a Tory? I'm not a member of any party. And if Labour believed in paying down the national debt, cutting taxes and growing the private sector instead of building up the civil service, and actually knowing what a woman is instead of obsessively going after the Eddie Izzard vote, I'd have more sympathy for them. Labour hasn't learned anything from 25 years of mistakes.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 18, 2024 22:17:12 GMT
If it's so insane why does every country in the world do it this way? - what do you know that they do not? Because rich people rule the world Natural selection..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2024 22:54:18 GMT
Because rich people rule the world Natural selection.. Think about what you are saying logically. If being rich were merely a matter of natural selection and devoid of all other factors beyond personal ability - and that is a very big if to start with - - then surely the most fruitful logical course for humanity is to allow zero inheritance for anybody so that everybody has to start from the bottom to ensure that only the very best get rich? Such an assumption implies that the best course for the best outcomes for our species is a 100 percent inheritance tax so that the children of the rich have to get rich by their own efforts and talents, thereby ensuring that only the most able ever get rich. Or are you as I rather suspect merely employing a throwaway, ill thought out and bastardised form of social Darwinism to seek to utilise social eugenics in favour of your favourite hobby horse of cheerleading the interests of poor hard done by rich people? Of course I dont believe in this social Darwinism crap at all, and clearly you actually dont either unless you advocate any of the above? I seem to be observing intellectual laziness in defence of a kneejerk reaction in support of the rich. Next time I feel like winding you up I shall make some post about rich bloodsuckers being lined up against a wall somewhere, lol. I wont actually think that of course, but if I can convince you that I do your reaction would be most entertaining. lol
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 19, 2024 7:29:39 GMT
No one can agree with making it a better place??? It has been throughout history of the democratic world that your elected leader represents the nation on the international stage or appoints someone to do so. NATO The UN. The G7, 8 and 20. The World Bank International Court of Human Rights To name a few. It is a fundamental principle of international democratic cooperation. However the rules within all of those groups are a little more tenuous, item specific and less binding than being part of a giant bureaucracy that was allowed to make a multitude of regulations as regards ever increasing aspects of our lives over which our parliament had little control. I am not sure the ECHR is a good example as that is seen by many as interference within the confines of our own laws. Too often law and laws are used by the powerful to oppress the weak and removing democratic control of those laws or distancing the electorate from those laws aids that process. Representative democracy includes participation by allies and others, and elected heads of state are there to represent the majority of the electorate. If you can think of another way of international conversation, please set it out. We all know democracy isnt perfect, but more perfect than any other people's relationship with the state. I suggest you refresh your knowledge of EU legislative process which includes three approvals and the advance notification and respectthe vote of the elected representatives of each individual member's "parliament" before it is passed. Plus of course the elected EU parliament and council. I cannot seriously accept criticism of EU democracy when in the UK, laws are passed by whipping objectors. In other words, threatening them.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 19, 2024 7:34:41 GMT
Think about what you are saying logically. If being rich were merely a matter of natural selection and devoid of all other factors beyond personal ability - and that is a very big if to start with - - then surely the most fruitful logical course for humanity is to allow zero inheritance for anybody so that everybody has to start from the bottom to ensure that only the very best get rich? Such an assumption implies that the best course for the best outcomes for our species is a 100 percent inheritance tax so that the children of the rich have to get rich by their own efforts and talents, thereby ensuring that only the most able ever get rich. Or are you as I rather suspect merely employing a throwaway, ill thought out and bastardised form of social Darwinism to seek to utilise social eugenics in favour of your favourite hobby horse of cheerleading the interests of poor hard done by rich people? Of course I dont believe in this social Darwinism crap at all, and clearly you actually dont either unless you advocate any of the above? I seem to be observing intellectual laziness in defence of a kneejerk reaction in support of the rich. Next time I feel like winding you up I shall make some post about rich bloodsuckers being lined up against a wall somewhere, lol. I wont actually think that of course, but if I can convince you that I do your reaction would be most entertaining. lol One of the biggest drivers (if not the biggest) to become rich is the desire to provide a better life for your family, if the State is going to steal the wealth that you have struggled to attain and leave your family destitute then you destroy much of the will to work. Which is precisely what we see in Communist societies and why they have poor productivity and growth.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 19, 2024 8:28:19 GMT
Because rich people rule the world Natural selection.. Mostly historic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2024 9:29:13 GMT
Think about what you are saying logically. If being rich were merely a matter of natural selection and devoid of all other factors beyond personal ability - and that is a very big if to start with - - then surely the most fruitful logical course for humanity is to allow zero inheritance for anybody so that everybody has to start from the bottom to ensure that only the very best get rich? Such an assumption implies that the best course for the best outcomes for our species is a 100 percent inheritance tax so that the children of the rich have to get rich by their own efforts and talents, thereby ensuring that only the most able ever get rich. Or are you as I rather suspect merely employing a throwaway, ill thought out and bastardised form of social Darwinism to seek to utilise social eugenics in favour of your favourite hobby horse of cheerleading the interests of poor hard done by rich people? Of course I dont believe in this social Darwinism crap at all, and clearly you actually dont either unless you advocate any of the above? I seem to be observing intellectual laziness in defence of a kneejerk reaction in support of the rich. Next time I feel like winding you up I shall make some post about rich bloodsuckers being lined up against a wall somewhere, lol. I wont actually think that of course, but if I can convince you that I do your reaction would be most entertaining. lol One of the biggest drivers (if not the biggest) to become rich is the desire to provide a better life for your family, if the State is going to steal the wealth that you have struggled to attain and leave your family destitute then you destroy much of the will to work. Which is precisely what we see in Communist societies and why they have poor productivity and growth. I am not going to dispute that. I was not advocating that. I was merely rubbishing your deployment of Social Darwinism in support of your ideology, pointing out - which you yourself have just confirmed - that you cannot actually be a Social Darwinist at all, without being very selective about it. But anything to hand will do in defence of the rich I suppose. I will point out to you that whilst most of us have gotten poorer, the wealth of the super rich has doubled in recent years. I am sure they will get by just fine without the support of little old you. lol
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Post by see2 on Jan 19, 2024 9:44:26 GMT
Because rich people rule the world Natural selection.. No, a psychological need to be rich is self selection. While there are reasons to be financially comfortable, or very comfortable in capitalist societies, which are the dynamos that drive progress, it is the extreme problem of greed by some that is IMO objectionable.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 19, 2024 10:13:31 GMT
One of the things about the EU is an economic Darwinism of using very poor countries like Romania as skivvy states. As manufacturing moves from rich countries to poor, unemployment rises in the rich countries and living standards fall.
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Post by sandypine on Jan 19, 2024 10:27:01 GMT
However the rules within all of those groups are a little more tenuous, item specific and less binding than being part of a giant bureaucracy that was allowed to make a multitude of regulations as regards ever increasing aspects of our lives over which our parliament had little control. I am not sure the ECHR is a good example as that is seen by many as interference within the confines of our own laws. Too often law and laws are used by the powerful to oppress the weak and removing democratic control of those laws or distancing the electorate from those laws aids that process. Representative democracy includes participation by allies and others, and elected heads of state are there to represent the majority of the electorate. If you can think of another way of international conversation, please set it out. We all know democracy isnt perfect, but more perfect than any other people's relationship with the state. I suggest you refresh your knowledge of EU legislative process which includes three approvals and the advance notification and respectthe vote of the elected representatives of each individual member's "parliament" before it is passed. Plus of course the elected EU parliament and council. I cannot seriously accept criticism of EU democracy when in the UK, laws are passed by whipping objectors. In other words, threatening them. A head of state is in many ways not representative which is why normally parliament is the sovereign entity and a HofS given the power to circumvent or bind parliament is a dangerous thing which is what the treaties allow. The point is as regards initiating legislation and no matter how perfect the subsequent process is that is the point of failure. All systems have imperfections both in their procedures and party systems. The UK system has evolved from bottom up pressure, the EU system has been imposed from the top down, dispensing more 'democracy' as the checks and balances against that democracy been meaningful are further entrenched. International cooperation is a fine thing carefully balanced but it must not be an imposition on the electorate at home who may resent that which is agreed. Which is why the EU is failing.
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 19, 2024 11:38:17 GMT
First, the EU is not failing, of only in your dreams. You dont describe in what way you assess this failure, but obviously look for and create bias confirmation.
You may not appreciate the fact that an elected head of statz represents the country on the international stage. He/she might appoint a proxy but he/she is ultimately responsible for the voice of the country on the world stage.
Just think of Netanyahu whose word still counts even if he no longer represents the majority of the people of Israel. Democracy means you have to wait for an election. Otherwise you have tyranny.
I can assure you that the people of the EU are quite content with the existential presence and results of the EU. Objection secured by illegal means does not mean the majority of a country objects to it.
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Post by sandypine on Jan 19, 2024 11:50:00 GMT
First, the EU is not failing, of only in your dreams. You dont describe in what way you assess this failure, but obviously look for and create bias confirmation. You may not appreciate the fact that an elected head of statz represents the country on the international stage. He/she might appoint a proxy but he/she is ultimately responsible for the voice of the country on the world stage. Just think of Netanyahu whose word still counts even if he no longer represents the majority of the people of Israel. Democracy means you have to wait for an election. Otherwise you have tyranny. I can assure you that the people of the EU are quite content with the existential presence and results of the EU. Objection secured by illegal means does not mean the majority of a country objects to it. Netanyahu is an example of why the HofS is a dangerous person to allow to make binding international decisions that parliament cannot reverse without negating the whole thing. If the EU was working to the content of the people then they would not have lost 70 million citizens and a net contributor to their budget in recent years and would not have alienated over 17 million of those very citizens. Dissatisfaction with the EU is increasing in most member states, not yet to the point of leaving in many countries but 'content' is not all encompassing and contrarians have loud voices.
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Post by see2 on Jan 19, 2024 14:19:45 GMT
1, If people stop borrowing what do savers do with their money? I say invest. I mean really invest, not make profit from a young person trying to get a home, but with a bit of risk in a new company making great things for Great Britain. 2, Help people o borrow less. 3, Agreed. 4, Free up land in the UK for the population to walk in. (Makes us more dependent of foreign countries but there's plenty making food so its not like oil. 5, See 4. 6, YES! You sure you're a Tory? I'm not a member of any party. And if Labour believed in paying down the national debt, cutting taxes and growing the private sector instead of building up the civil service, and actually knowing what a woman is instead of obsessively going after the Eddie Izzard vote, I'd have more sympathy for them. Labour hasn't learned anything from 25 years of mistakes. And you haven't learned anything from their successes.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 20, 2024 7:39:11 GMT
Outrage at EUSSR's silence as Donald Tusk 'deploys riot police to purge those who oppose him'.
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