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Post by Vinny on Jan 18, 2024 10:41:58 GMT
Interest rate rises are good for savers.
Get people to stop borrowing and start saving.
Cut the number of university places but make tuition free for STEM subjects.
Do more FTAs to lower food prices.
Create a team of experts to study the subsidies for agriculture, to examine what is needed and what isn't. Gear the system towards the needs of common farmers and the environment, not the supermarkets and not rich landowners.
Build more 3 & 4 bedroom houses and industrial estates to reduce house price inflation and lower unemployment further.
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Post by thomas on Jan 18, 2024 10:54:41 GMT
Interest rate rises are good for savers. Get people to stop borrowing and start saving. Cut the number of university places but make tuition free for STEM subjects. Do more FTAs to lower food prices. Create a team of experts to study the subsidies for agriculture, to examine what is needed and what isn't. Gear the system towards the needs of common farmers and the environment, not the supermarkets and not rich landowners. Build more 3 & 4 bedroom houses and industrial estates to reduce house price inflation and lower unemployment further. sounds like a Wishlist of empty soundbites lacking in detail and reality. How do you get people struggling to survive to stop borrowing , and start saving? Tuition is free already in Scotland. I assume you are talking about England? Is any English party supporting ending the marketisation of their universities , in part or full? Do more FTA to lower food prices? please elaborate. FTA im told take years to negotiate , involve a lot of horse trading , and the uk apparently is currently in a very weak position to negotiate. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 18, 2024 11:38:31 GMT
well Labour have spent every election since 1945 banging on about the NHS so I would guess they thought it a vote winning policy What on earth are you blubbering about - we have the highest tax burden since WW2 and the Tories have introduced Net Zero nonsense that leads the world. But..at the next election the people have the opportunity to vote against those policies if they wish - unlike your preferred option of having them decided undemocratically. Not how much tax. But who's paying it. Tax is not following the money. This current inflation busting move is particularly insane. Inflation driven up by foreign food and gas prices hitting people in their pockets. Answer hike interest rates and take even more out of their pockets and watch pubs and restaurants go bankrupt.
I often try to imaging raising such an idea at a board meeting. I can hear the laughter now! If it's so insane why does every country in the world do it this way? - what do you know that they do not? |
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Post by see2 on Jan 18, 2024 12:58:38 GMT
The public do not elect Commissioners. And only Commissioners can currently propose EU policies. Is that supposed to be a problem? |
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Post by see2 on Jan 18, 2024 13:03:42 GMT
Not quite. The green paper is a consultation document for all to peruse and provide feedback. The Commission provides legislation to be voted on in parliament after aligning proposals from the Council with the treaties. The EU themselves now regard the unelected nature of the Commission as a problem and in the proposed treaty change, MEPs would get legislative initiative instead of them. Had this proposal been made a decade ago, it would have influenced my vote in the referendum. How do you think the Commission arrive at the changes they propose? |
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Post by thomas on Jan 18, 2024 13:13:59 GMT
The public do not elect Commissioners. And only Commissioners can currently propose EU policies. Is that supposed to be a problem? its because either Vinny doesn't understand how the EU works , or deliberately misses out the key and important parts to show the EU as some sort of anti democratic unelected monolith. page five of this document was probably the best explanation of how the EU works in terms of commissioners proposing laws , (commissioners who are proposed by the democratically elected governments of Europe) but the law cannot be passed without the consent of the democratically elected members of the council and parliament . www.yeswecan.scot/flipbooks/WeeBleuBook/WeeBleuBook.html#p=8 |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 18, 2024 15:17:14 GMT
The public do not elect Commissioners. And only Commissioners can currently propose EU policies. Is that supposed to be a problem? Very much so as they are not elected. It may be that parliament has the final say on what is actually passed but the Commission rule the roost in terms of what is put forward unless the Council issue specific instructions. Like all giant bureaucracies the EU is tied to a set of complicated treaties through a largely indecipherable Constitution that regulates all aspects of life and trade. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 18, 2024 16:13:01 GMT
Is that supposed to be a problem? Very much so as they are not elected. It may be that parliament has the final say on what is actually passed but the Commission rule the roost in terms of what is put forward unless the Council issue specific instructions. Like all giant bureaucracies the EU is tied to a set of complicated treaties through a largely indecipherable Constitution that regulates all aspects of life and trade. Nonsense. Every five years the council, elected national leaders and the commission decide the priorities for the next five years. They formulate what is called the Strategic Agenda. The commission forms proposed legislation according to these priorities. www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/strategic-agenda-2024-2029/ |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 18, 2024 16:23:01 GMT
Interest rate rises are good for savers. Get people to stop borrowing and start saving. Cut the number of university places but make tuition free for STEM subjects. Do more FTAs to lower food prices. Create a team of experts to study the subsidies for agriculture, to examine what is needed and what isn't. Gear the system towards the needs of common farmers and the environment, not the supermarkets and not rich landowners. Build more 3 & 4 bedroom houses and industrial estates to reduce house price inflation and lower unemployment further. Higher interest rates stop internal and foreign investment. Vinny only considers the domestic economy. The biggest part is international services...insurance banking brokering hospitality. Not tomatoes You grow you need lower costs for the investor than your competition. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 18, 2024 16:28:15 GMT
Very much so as they are not elected. It may be that parliament has the final say on what is actually passed but the Commission rule the roost in terms of what is put forward unless the Council issue specific instructions. Like all giant bureaucracies the EU is tied to a set of complicated treaties through a largely indecipherable Constitution that regulates all aspects of life and trade. Nonsense. Every five years the council, elected national leaders and the commission decide the priorities for the next five years. They formulate what is called the Strategic Agenda. The commission forms proposed legislation according to these priorities. www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/strategic-agenda-2024-2029/Which is the problem that no parliament may be bound by previous parliaments yet that is exactly what happened with the EU and it was not our parliament deciding it was our 'elected' leader who was binding parliament in the EU council. Too much power to one individual and possibly a couple of yes men. No matter which way you look at it the link between the Commission, who alone have the power to legislate, and the electorate is at best pretty tenuous.The Strategic agenda sounds pretty sound and aspirational but seems to be along the lines of make the 'EU a better place'. No one could argue with that. could they? |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 18, 2024 16:49:32 GMT
No one can agree with making it a better place???
It has been throughout history of the democratic world that your elected leader represents the nation on the international stage or appoints someone to do so.
NATO
The UN.
The G7, 8 and 20.
The World Bank
International Court of Human Rights
To name a few.
It is a fundamental principle of international democratic cooperation.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 18, 2024 18:15:36 GMT
Treaties bind parliaments.
Treaties were changed without our democratic involvement.
Sovereign powers moved from our elected MPs to the unelected Commission without our democratic consent.
If those powers had gone to MEPs instead, the result of the 2016 referendum might have been different.
But ultimately we voted to have our sovereignty back and if the Tories don't listen to us, they'll get the sack. It took decades of effort to give the EU the sack, but thank goodness we did it.
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Post by thomas on Jan 18, 2024 18:24:14 GMT
Treaties bind parliaments. Treaties were changed without our democratic involvement. Sovereign powers moved from our elected MPs to the unelected Commission without our democratic consent. If those powers had gone to MEPs instead, the result of the 2016 referendum might have been different. But ultimately we voted to have our sovereignty back and if the Tories don't listen to us, they'll get the sack. It took decades of effort to give the EU the sack, but thank goodness we did it. well starmer has said if he wins the election , which obviously is looking more and more likely , he is going to renegotiate the uk relationship with the EU , and that this won't need a referendum or letting the plebs have a say as it will be above our pay grade of understanding , and will stop a ball hair short of full membership , as some sort of associate member as some have suggested. I will look forward to the daily updates Vinny of what BRINO looks like , but it looks like one way or the other starmer is taking you back in . oh Edit to add Vinny , this is all scheduled for next year according to labour. **** |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 18, 2024 19:20:34 GMT
1,Interest rate rises are good for savers. 2, Get people to stop borrowing and start saving. 3,Cut the number of university places but make tuition free for STEM subjects. 4, Do more FTAs to lower food prices. 5, Create a team of experts to study the subsidies for agriculture, to examine what is needed and what isn't. Gear the system towards the needs of common farmers and the environment, not the supermarkets and not rich landowners. 6, Build more 3 & 4 bedroom houses and industrial estates to reduce house price inflation and lower unemployment further. 1, If people stop borrowing what do savers do with their money? I say invest. I mean really invest, not make profit from a young person trying to get a home, but with a bit of risk in a new company making great things for Great Britain. 2, Help people o borrow less. 3, Agreed. 4, Free up land in the UK for the population to walk in. (Makes us more dependent of foreign countries but there's plenty making food so its not like oil. 5, See 4. 6, YES! You sure you're a Tory?  |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 18, 2024 19:22:04 GMT
Not how much tax. But who's paying it. Tax is not following the money. This current inflation busting move is particularly insane. Inflation driven up by foreign food and gas prices hitting people in their pockets. Answer hike interest rates and take even more out of their pockets and watch pubs and restaurants go bankrupt.
I often try to imaging raising such an idea at a board meeting. I can hear the laughter now! If it's so insane why does every country in the world do it this way? - what do you know that they do not? Because rich people rule the world |
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