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Post by Pacifico on Jan 17, 2024 7:40:10 GMT
Incumbent what? You are not going to vote Tory so why would they take any notice of your request for a form? Wow. This is big news. So only party supporters get to choose the interest rate?
You're making the BofE option sound better with every post. Inventing shit simply makes you look dumb and unable to construct an argument. The last time we tried to impose taxation without representation we ended up having war - so I'd rather not try that failed policy again. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 17, 2024 8:02:54 GMT
I think it's finally dawning on one or two people who want to impose taxation without representation that they're onto a loser now, and have run out of credit where this discussion is concerned.
Even though it was for the birds the notion was indulged and unsuccessfully argued.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 17, 2024 8:32:40 GMT
Wow. This is big news. So only party supporters get to choose the interest rate?
You're making the BofE option sound better with every post. Inventing shit simply makes you look dumb and unable to construct an argument. The last time we tried to impose taxation without representation we ended up having war - so I'd rather not try that failed policy again. You invented shit, I replied mockingly. You said we had a say in taxation rates which we don't. You said it was OK for an independent body the BofE to make certain voters pay more for the good of the economy but not for that same independent body to make other voters pay for the same. I know your argument is as a low tax apostle, but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 17, 2024 11:52:53 GMT
Inventing shit simply makes you look dumb and unable to construct an argument. The last time we tried to impose taxation without representation we ended up having war - so I'd rather not try that failed policy again. You invented shit, I replied mockingly. You said we had a say in taxation rates which we don't. You said it was OK for an independent body the BofE to make certain voters pay more for the good of the economy but not for that same independent body to make other voters pay for the same. I know your argument is as a low tax apostle, but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. I have never come across any single person who based their vote on what the interest rates would be and I have never seen any Political Party have a manifesto commitment to specific levels of interest rates. I have seen (numerous times) people voting for (higher and lower) tax rates and party's standing for election based on promised tax rates. You have a say - you just don't like it when you don't get your way. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 17, 2024 18:10:14 GMT
Deadline approaches for EUSSR's von der Leyen to declare re-election bid.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2024 18:17:07 GMT
Deadline approaches for EUSSR's von der Leyen to declare re-election bid.
Who really cares? I couldnt care less whether she gets reelected or not. We are having our own general election this year, plus there is a presidential election in the States, both of which are potentially far more important to us than whether von der Leyen gets reelected or not. If she isnt some other bod who makes no difference to us will be elected instead. So what? |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 17, 2024 18:47:14 GMT
The public do not elect Commissioners.
And only Commissioners can currently propose EU policies.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 17, 2024 18:55:47 GMT
You invented shit, I replied mockingly. You said we had a say in taxation rates which we don't. You said it was OK for an independent body the BofE to make certain voters pay more for the good of the economy but not for that same independent body to make other voters pay for the same. I know your argument is as a low tax apostle, but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. I have never come across any single person who based their vote on what the interest rates would be and I have never seen any Political Party have a manifesto commitment to specific levels of interest rates. I have seen (numerous times) people voting for (higher and lower) tax rates and party's standing for election based on promised tax rates. You have a say - you just don't like it when you don't get your way. That's because interest rates are not a voting issue. They are set by an independent body. Before the BofE took over there were plenty on the left who thought Tories used them to such money from the poor to the rich, but you would never have met them, let alone considered their views. New Labour made the commitment to remove the interest rates from politics. Why do you think they did that? And, I am not talking about general taxation. I'm talking about a special case purely to deal with inflation. If it helps get your head around the idea, call it an inflation levy based on your ability to pay. The more likely you are to contribute to inflation, the higher your levy. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 17, 2024 19:03:32 GMT
The public do not elect Commissioners. And only Commissioners can currently propose EU policies. The European government puts its views to the Commission who look at their viability and solidify policies into working ones. Not very different from the UK where the government put forward proposals as green papers and bureaucrats look at them and make hem workable. Still the lie keeps getting spun. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 17, 2024 22:04:03 GMT
I have never come across any single person who based their vote on what the interest rates would be and I have never seen any Political Party have a manifesto commitment to specific levels of interest rates. I have seen (numerous times) people voting for (higher and lower) tax rates and party's standing for election based on promised tax rates. You have a say - you just don't like it when you don't get your way. That's because interest rates are not a voting issue. They are set by an independent body. Before the BofE took over there were plenty on the left who thought Tories used them to such money from the poor to the rich, but you would never have met them, let alone considered their views. Have you any actual evidence that interest rates were ever a factor in deciding how people voted? Well you can call it what you like but the effect is to raise the level of income tax. Apart from the basic undemocratic idea behind the policy I would also object to it due to giving politicians yet another get out - you can just imagine the TV interview, the Chancellor is quizzed on the level of taxation and says 'ah well, we would like it to be lower but it was increased by the BoE - nothing to do with us'.. ..we have far too much policy that is out of the hands of directly elected politicians who should ideally be responsible, so I dont see the need for any more. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 17, 2024 22:19:34 GMT
The public do not elect Commissioners. And only Commissioners can currently propose EU policies. The European government puts its views to the Commission who look at their viability and solidify policies into working ones. Not very different from the UK where the government put forward proposals as green papers and bureaucrats look at them and make hem workable. Still the lie keeps getting spun. Not quite. The green paper is a consultation document for all to peruse and provide feedback. The Commission provides legislation to be voted on in parliament after aligning proposals from the Council with the treaties. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 17, 2024 22:46:23 GMT
That's because interest rates are not a voting issue. They are set by an independent body. Before the BofE took over there were plenty on the left who thought Tories used them to such money from the poor to the rich, but you would never have met them, let alone considered their views. of course not. how would anyone get evidence. All I can say is that quite a few labour voters know of the scam. Have you any actual evidence that Labour spending on the NHS was ever a factor in deciding how people voted? Unlike mortgage rates which leave you safe, and are therefore ok. Hypocrisy. Can't wait until Labour get in and we start taxing the rich and forcing net zero and you say how glad you are that elected politicians should not be shackled. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 17, 2024 22:53:28 GMT
Have you any actual evidence that Labour spending on the NHS was ever a factor in deciding how people voted? well Labour have spent every election since 1945 banging on about the NHS so I would guess they thought it a vote winning policy What on earth are you blubbering about - we have the highest tax burden since WW2 and the Tories have introduced Net Zero nonsense that leads the world. But..at the next election the people have the opportunity to vote against those policies if they wish - unlike your preferred option of having them decided undemocratically. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 17, 2024 23:47:02 GMT
The European government puts its views to the Commission who look at their viability and solidify policies into working ones. Not very different from the UK where the government put forward proposals as green papers and bureaucrats look at them and make hem workable. Still the lie keeps getting spun. Not quite. The green paper is a consultation document for all to peruse and provide feedback. The Commission provides legislation to be voted on in parliament after aligning proposals from the Council with the treaties. The EU themselves now regard the unelected nature of the Commission as a problem and in the proposed treaty change, MEPs would get legislative initiative instead of them. Had this proposal been made a decade ago, it would have influenced my vote in the referendum. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 18, 2024 9:03:00 GMT
Have you any actual evidence that Labour spending on the NHS was ever a factor in deciding how people voted? well Labour have spent every election since 1945 banging on about the NHS so I would guess they thought it a vote winning policy What on earth are you blubbering about - we have the highest tax burden since WW2 and the Tories have introduced Net Zero nonsense that leads the world. But..at the next election the people have the opportunity to vote against those policies if they wish - unlike your preferred option of having them decided undemocratically. Not how much tax. But who's paying it. Tax is not following the money. This current inflation busting move is particularly insane. Inflation driven up by foreign food and gas prices hitting people in their pockets. Answer hike interest rates and take even more out of their pockets and watch pubs and restaurants go bankrupt. I often try to imaging raising such an idea at a board meeting. I can hear the laughter now! |
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