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Post by Toreador on Dec 1, 2022 22:33:39 GMT
There's more than that, there's knowing where and what the breast is for feeding, something not confined to humans; there are other examples. At the end of my short list I posted etc. indicating that there were more examples. All the sensory actions listed apply to all animals. Did it explain how a newborn piglet goes satraight to the teat, at which point the sow turns on her other side and produces another piglet whiich, despit the changed position, goes straight to the teat |
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Post by see2 on Dec 1, 2022 22:45:02 GMT
At the end of my short list I posted etc. indicating that there were more examples. All the sensory actions listed apply to all animals. Did it explain how a newborn piglet goes satraight to the teat, at which point the sow turns on her other side and produces another piglet whiich, despit the changed position, goes straight to the teat Natural instinct, part of survival just like breathing no one teaches a baby how to breath or how to pass water or how to defecate. None of these things require a thinking brain. I once saw a new born baby placed high on the mother's stomach make its own way directly to the nipple. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 2, 2022 9:50:50 GMT
Well the extensive Hawk and Dove observations certainly contradict that view in that Genes do tend to align animals with specific actions and an Alpha male tends to arise from Alpha male genes even when the Alpha male has no interaction with the young or any part in raising the sometimes enormous number of offspring. I go back to my Viking example whereby Berserk families were much favoured by leaders as they hoped that that trait would regularly appear within the family, which it did as it was an inherited trait not a nurtured one. They contradict nothing. All animals are hard wired to be wary of danger, specific actions are about survival which is the basic position of all animals including humans. No one claims that all DNA is the same, I gave you the example of different dogs. My point is that genes also define behaviour and nurture modifies that. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 2, 2022 10:31:55 GMT
Did it explain how a newborn piglet goes satraight to the teat, at which point the sow turns on her other side and produces another piglet whiich, despit the changed position, goes straight to the teat Natural instinct, part of survival just like breathing no one teaches a baby how to breath or how to pass water or how to defecate. None of these things require a thinking brain. I once saw a new born baby placed high on the mother's stomach make its own way directly to the nipple. So your earlier staterment that the young had to learn was somewhat incomplete and that there are instincts that are not only present but are essential to survival and are not learned. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 2, 2022 13:33:47 GMT
I presume you have been talking to yourself . Addressing discrimination at source IS the solution to the point in hand . Increasing discrimination by aiming it at another ethnic group will do nothing but perpetuate the discrimination. I have indicated where the solution lies but you seem to require a blue print of the processes . This indicates that you are so stupid that cannot invisage others of being capable of auditing and monitoring the process of recruitment with a view to construct a revised process that eliminates ( within reason) discrimination or that you are in love with the idea of discrimination against whites . Self hatred probably . One cannot go back in time and correct the wrongs done or the problems they caused. The point you refuse to acknowledge is that there is a deficit of Black police officers caused by the discrimination. By just stopping the discrimination now does not and cannot address that deficit. Hence the short term requirement to reverse the problem. If you know of a different clearly explainable way to quickly reduce that deficit please state. And your solution is a quick fix that involves more discrimination and a possible festering of relations between ethnic groups . If there is deficit of black officers then there should be a review addressing why black candidates do not seem to be suitable as police officers . If there is evidence that black candidates are being deliberately barred by the recruitment team then measures should be taken . If the black candidates are found to be less qualified or suited to police work than other ethnic groups then there should be an enquiry why this is . I suspect one factor is that there is some resentment from black communities and peers toward black candidates tbh. This should be a process working towards a solution , not a process to justify the deficit. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 2, 2022 21:32:35 GMT
They contradict nothing. All animals are hard wired to be wary of danger, specific actions are about survival which is the basic position of all animals including humans. No one claims that all DNA is the same, I gave you the example of different dogs. My point is that genes also define behaviour and nurture modifies that. No they don't no matter how much your BNP mates tell you that. Always remember they're full of shit. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 2, 2022 21:38:15 GMT
My point is that genes also define behaviour and nurture modifies that. No they don't no matter how much your BNP mates tell you that. Always remember they're full of shit. I left this thread because I could see where the racists were steering it, but even so I have to disagree Steve. Genes do determine behaviour. However nurture and Epi genes have a far greater effect and both are driven by life experience. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 2, 2022 22:05:22 GMT
My point is that genes also define behaviour and nurture modifies that. No they don't no matter how much your BNP mates tell you that. Always remember they're full of shit. Well that is quite a statement considering it is a matter of scientific debate, Wilson and Dawkins would disagree. To some extent Desmond Morris would regard many acts of behaviour as inbulit as opposed to learned. I repeat my Berserker reference where Viking leaders regarded certain families as having behaviour potential they needed. They were not often disappointed and that behaviour is unlikely to be learned. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 2, 2022 22:07:30 GMT
No they don't no matter how much your BNP mates tell you that. Always remember they're full of shit. I left this thread because I could see where the racists were steering it, but even so I have to disagree Steve. Genes do determine behaviour. However nurture and Epi genes have a far greater effect and both are driven by life experience. What direction was that and who were/are the racists? |
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Post by Steve on Dec 2, 2022 22:13:26 GMT
No they don't no matter how much your BNP mates tell you that. Always remember they're full of shit. I left this thread because I could see where the racists were steering it, but even so I have to disagree Steve. Genes do determine behaviour. However nurture and Epi genes have a far greater effect and both are driven by life experience. I suggest you need to contemplate the BIG difference between 'determine' and 'can be one of many factors that influence' |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 2, 2022 22:37:36 GMT
No they don't no matter how much your BNP mates tell you that. Always remember they're full of shit. Well that is quite a statement considering it is a matter of scientific debate, Wilson and Dawkins would disagree. To some extent Desmond Morris would regard many acts of behaviour as inbulit as opposed to learned. I repeat my Berserker reference where Viking leaders regarded certain families as having behaviour potential they needed. They were not often disappointed and that behaviour is unlikely to be learned. The Viking aggression was clearly nurture. For when raiding stopped being profitable they quickly settled Northumberland and East Anglia. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 2, 2022 22:39:33 GMT
I left this thread because I could see where the racists were steering it, but even so I have to disagree Steve. Genes do determine behaviour. However nurture and Epi genes have a far greater effect and both are driven by life experience. What direction was that and who were/are the racists? The racists were steering towards the idea that races are genetically different. Different enough to not be suitable to share a country. I'll let you decide whether that includes you. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 2, 2022 22:43:58 GMT
I left this thread because I could see where the racists were steering it, but even so I have to disagree Steve. Genes do determine behaviour. However nurture and Epi genes have a far greater effect and both are driven by life experience. I suggest you need to contemplate the BIG difference between 'determine' and 'can be one of many factors that influence' Agree entirely. Maybe I wasn't following closely enough. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 2, 2022 22:58:50 GMT
Well that is quite a statement considering it is a matter of scientific debate, Wilson and Dawkins would disagree. To some extent Desmond Morris would regard many acts of behaviour as inbulit as opposed to learned. I repeat my Berserker reference where Viking leaders regarded certain families as having behaviour potential they needed. They were not often disappointed and that behaviour is unlikely to be learned. The Viking aggression was clearly nurture. For when raiding stopped being profitable they quickly settled Northumberland and East Anglia. No I was referring specifically to Berserker families that Viking leaders favoured in their group. It was trait that helped people fight like demented animals (going berserk) at sometimes critical points in battle. These traits could be aided by nurture and drugs but selecting families or kin of past berserk warriors also aided ensuring berserk warriors existed in one's battle group. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 2, 2022 23:10:04 GMT
What direction was that and who were/are the racists? The racists were steering towards the idea that races are genetically different. Different enough to not be suitable to share a country. I'll let you decide whether that includes you. That seems like a large stretch as regards assessing the direction of a discussion. I will make it easy, behaviour within in any group is in part determined by the genes of the individuals within that group. A preponderance to certain actions will be tempered or enhanced by nurture. Any group, and I mean any group, will include those who behave selflessly and those who behave selfishly and in part that is a genetic trait (Dawkins actually argues that selflessness could be the act of a selfish trait). One other aspect is that calculation on closeness of relatives are made by individuals in all groups and how much aid to give to another will depend on risk and benefit to genes. That calculation is an instinctive act built in by genes. EDIT.. As regards your last point I know where I stand and I am not the one advocating any racially discriminatory act at all. I can see who do though. |
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