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Post by see2 on Dec 1, 2022 14:50:58 GMT
Genes supply the parts that learn that which is safe and that which is not safe. The Amygdala in the emotional area of the brain is referred to as an early warning system. It learns perceived and actual danger. If it were never to experience either, it could never react to a learnt or perceived danger. The brain is not born with a prepared list of dangers it has to learn them. DNA carries the blueprints for all of the separate parts of the individual, and that's it. The separate parts of the body and brain are then left to do their individual jobs. Even if DNA could carry danger warnings, it could not forewarn individuals of a danger that had never existed before. It leaves that to the learning area of the emotional/sensory area of the brain. Do you think the newborn brain has no list of "instinctive" actions or reactions? There are some instinctive reactions like the blink of an eye, the jump when surprised by a loud bang and the tightening of the chest as adrenalin is pumped into the system, the need to breath etc. Humans are born hard wired to be wary of danger or possible danger. It learns dangers and potential dangers through its sensory system. The sensory system begins to function in the last three months in the womb and remains totally dominant until around the age of two when the thinking brain begins to get involved. The sensory system learns remembers and reacts (hormonally) it cannot rationalise or apply logic. The logical system wakes up to a world that is already coloured by the sensory learning that has taken place. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 1, 2022 15:07:17 GMT
Do you think the newborn brain has no list of "instinctive" actions or reactions? There are some instinctive reactions like the blink of an eye, the jump when surprised by a loud bang and the tightening of the chest as adrenalin is pumped into the system, the need to breath etc. Humans are born hard wired to be wary of danger or possible danger. It learns dangers and potential dangers through its sensory system. The sensory system begins to function in the last three months in the womb and remains totally dominant until around the age of two when the thinking brain begins to get involved. The sensory system learns remembers and reacts (hormonally) it cannot rationalise or apply logic. The logical system wakes up to a world that is already coloured by the sensory learning that has taken place. There's more than that, there's knowing where and what the breast is for feeding, something not confined to humans; there are other examples. |
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Post by Orac on Dec 1, 2022 15:09:38 GMT
In the case of German Fascism, it was very much the case. In Trump using right-wing groups it is also very much the problem. I.E., if you don't agree with me (Trump) you are a communist or a Marxist. Can't think of a much better way to divide the American electorate. You seem to be wandering off course badly This is what I put - Even if a people don't believe themselves superior, they can still feel justified in targeting another group if they believe the other group is / has been perpetrating an injustice on them |
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Post by see2 on Dec 1, 2022 15:11:56 GMT
I did read it now please explain how you propose to put this into action while at the same time resolving the problem caused by the discrimination that already exists. Are you an idiot by choice ? You want me to lay out the exact details of addressing discrimination at its source to refute your support of using discrimination to reduce discrimination? Are you serious or just trolling to disguise your reverse racism ? If there is evidence of racism in recruitment then it should be addressed there . Are you too dense to understand that very simple idea? I am obviously communicating with an idiot. Addressing discriminating at its source is not an answer to the point in hand, even then you do not elaborate on just how it could even be resolved at source. You are just fannying about with words. There is apparently evidence of racism in recruitment and the problem it has created, and it is being addressed right there at the point of recruitment. You do not like the way it is being addressed but you have no alternative answer to this problem or the situation it has created. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 1, 2022 15:17:03 GMT
In the case of German Fascism, it was very much the case. In Trump using right-wing groups it is also very much the problem. I.E., if you don't agree with me (Trump) you are a communist or a Marxist. Can't think of a much better way to divide the American electorate. You seem to be wandering off course badly This is what I put - Even if a people don't believe themselves superior, they can still feel justified in targeting another group if they believe the other group is / has been perpetrating an injustice on themNope, that is a point that you have introduced. It ignores the fact that a troubled charismatic extremist can create havoc with their extremist rhetoric. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 1, 2022 15:29:00 GMT
You have misunderstood- I'll explain again. If you insist that white people must share their communities with black people and also assume that, in the communities in which this sharing happens, black people are being discriminated against or oppressed by white people, then logically you have created a set of assumptions that means white people can not exist anywhere without being guilty of some kind of race crime / offense. You have effectively pathologized whiteness (in aggregate) You have created an entirely inappropriate scenario. The problem under discussion at the moment is not about Black people being discriminated in general by White people, it is about Black people being discriminated in favour of White people when applying to join the Police Force. Where is the evidence this is what happened? |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 1, 2022 15:38:50 GMT
Do you think the newborn brain has no list of "instinctive" actions or reactions? There are some instinctive reactions like the blink of an eye, the jump when surprised by a loud bang and the tightening of the chest as adrenalin is pumped into the system, the need to breath etc. Humans are born hard wired to be wary of danger or possible danger. It learns dangers and potential dangers through its sensory system. The sensory system begins to function in the last three months in the womb and remains totally dominant until around the age of two when the thinking brain begins to get involved. The sensory system learns remembers and reacts (hormonally) it cannot rationalise or apply logic. The logical system wakes up to a world that is already coloured by the sensory learning that has taken place. They are also hardwired to either be selfish or egalitarian and all shades in between, as well as favouring genes like their own and many other things. These may be tempered by nurture but the base character is obtained from your genes. Nurture also depends on which genes are switched on or not or even history and experience of one's parents. The propensity of West of Scotland conurbation dwellers to have high risk of dying young is a legacy of the crowded tenements where childhood illness required certain genes to be switched on to aid survival. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 1, 2022 16:45:35 GMT
Are you an idiot by choice ? You want me to lay out the exact details of addressing discrimination at its source to refute your support of using discrimination to reduce discrimination? Are you serious or just trolling to disguise your reverse racism ? If there is evidence of racism in recruitment then it should be addressed there . Are you too dense to understand that very simple idea? I am obviously communicating with an idiot. Addressing discriminating at its source is not an answer to the point in hand, even then you do not elaborate on just how it could even be resolved at source. You are just fannying about with words. There is apparently evidence of racism in recruitment and the problem it has created, and it is being addressed right there at the point of recruitment. You do not like the way it is being addressed but you have no alternative answer to this problem or the situation it has created. I presume you have been talking to yourself . Addressing discrimination at source IS the solution to the point in hand . Increasing discrimination by aiming it at another ethnic group will do nothing but perpetuate the discrimination. I have indicated where the solution lies but you seem to require a blue print of the processes . This indicates that you are so stupid that cannot invisage others of being capable of auditing and monitoring the process of recruitment with a view to construct a revised process that eliminates ( within reason) discrimination or that you are in love with the idea of discrimination against whites . Self hatred probably . |
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Post by see2 on Dec 1, 2022 19:00:33 GMT
There are some instinctive reactions like the blink of an eye, the jump when surprised by a loud bang and the tightening of the chest as adrenalin is pumped into the system, the need to breath etc. Humans are born hard wired to be wary of danger or possible danger. It learns dangers and potential dangers through its sensory system. The sensory system begins to function in the last three months in the womb and remains totally dominant until around the age of two when the thinking brain begins to get involved. The sensory system learns remembers and reacts (hormonally) it cannot rationalise or apply logic. The logical system wakes up to a world that is already coloured by the sensory learning that has taken place. There's more than that, there's knowing where and what the breast is for feeding, something not confined to humans; there are other examples. At the end of my short list I posted etc. indicating that there were more examples. All the sensory actions listed apply to all animals. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 1, 2022 19:15:23 GMT
I am obviously communicating with an idiot. Addressing discriminating at its source is not an answer to the point in hand, even then you do not elaborate on just how it could even be resolved at source. You are just fannying about with words. There is apparently evidence of racism in recruitment and the problem it has created, and it is being addressed right there at the point of recruitment. You do not like the way it is being addressed but you have no alternative answer to this problem or the situation it has created. I presume you have been talking to yourself . Addressing discrimination at source IS the solution to the point in hand . Increasing discrimination by aiming it at another ethnic group will do nothing but perpetuate the discrimination. I have indicated where the solution lies but you seem to require a blue print of the processes . This indicates that you are so stupid that cannot invisage others of being capable of auditing and monitoring the process of recruitment with a view to construct a revised process that eliminates ( within reason) discrimination or that you are in love with the idea of discrimination against whites . Self hatred probably . One cannot go back in time and correct the wrongs done or the problems they caused. The point you refuse to acknowledge is that there is a deficit of Black police officers caused by the discrimination. By just stopping the discrimination now does not and cannot address that deficit. Hence the short term requirement to reverse the problem. If you know of a different clearly explainable way to quickly reduce that deficit please state. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 1, 2022 19:35:55 GMT
There are some instinctive reactions like the blink of an eye, the jump when surprised by a loud bang and the tightening of the chest as adrenalin is pumped into the system, the need to breath etc. Humans are born hard wired to be wary of danger or possible danger. It learns dangers and potential dangers through its sensory system. The sensory system begins to function in the last three months in the womb and remains totally dominant until around the age of two when the thinking brain begins to get involved. The sensory system learns remembers and reacts (hormonally) it cannot rationalise or apply logic. The logical system wakes up to a world that is already coloured by the sensory learning that has taken place. They are also hardwired to either be selfish or egalitarian and all shades in between, as well as favouring genes like their own and many other things. These may be tempered by nurture but the base character is obtained from your genes. Nurture also depends on which genes are switched on or not or even history and experience of one's parents. The propensity of West of Scotland conurbation dwellers to have high risk of dying young is a legacy of the crowded tenements where childhood illness required certain genes to be switched on to aid survival. I have explained previously that DNA delivers the equipment with which people LEARN to do and believe the things they do and believe. There is evidence from the hundreds of professionals who have or are dedicating their professional lives to finding the evil gene" (which I posted on a previous forum), failed to find it. The best they could come up with was a part of some DNA that could deliver violence BUT, everything depended upon the nurture the individual experiences during their life, especially their early years. i.e. DNA does not demand violence. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 1, 2022 19:53:38 GMT
They are also hardwired to either be selfish or egalitarian and all shades in between, as well as favouring genes like their own and many other things. These may be tempered by nurture but the base character is obtained from your genes. Nurture also depends on which genes are switched on or not or even history and experience of one's parents. The propensity of West of Scotland conurbation dwellers to have high risk of dying young is a legacy of the crowded tenements where childhood illness required certain genes to be switched on to aid survival. I have explained previously that DNA delivers the equipment with which people LEARN to do and believe the things they do and believe. There is evidence from the hundreds of professionals who have or are dedicating their professional lives to finding the evil gene" (which I posted on a previous forum), failed to find it. The best they could come up with was a part of some DNA that could deliver violence BUT, everything depended upon the nurture the individual experiences during their life, especially their early years. i.e. DNA does not demand violence. Well the extensive Hawk and Dove observations certainly contradict that view in that Genes do tend to align animals with specific actions and an Alpha male tends to arise from Alpha male genes even when the Alpha male has no interaction with the young or any part in raising the sometimes enormous number of offspring. I go back to my Viking example whereby Berserk families were much favoured by leaders as they hoped that that trait would regularly appear within the family, which it did as it was an inherited trait not a nurtured one. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 1, 2022 20:43:00 GMT
There are some instinctive reactions like the blink of an eye, the jump when surprised by a loud bang and the tightening of the chest as adrenalin is pumped into the system, the need to breath etc. Humans are born hard wired to be wary of danger or possible danger. It learns dangers and potential dangers through its sensory system. The sensory system begins to function in the last three months in the womb and remains totally dominant until around the age of two when the thinking brain begins to get involved. The sensory system learns remembers and reacts (hormonally) it cannot rationalise or apply logic. The logical system wakes up to a world that is already coloured by the sensory learning that has taken place. There's more than that, there's knowing where and what the breast is for feeding, something not confined to humans; there are other examples. You mean a sense of smell and a need for food. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 1, 2022 22:21:53 GMT
You have created an entirely inappropriate scenario. The problem under discussion at the moment is not about Black people being discriminated in general by White people, it is about Black people being discriminated in favour of White people when applying to join the Police Force. Where is the evidence this is what happened? I'm not wasting time looking for it, I think there is a website already posted. The situation of discrimination would not have been addressed if it wasn't there. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 1, 2022 22:29:52 GMT
I have explained previously that DNA delivers the equipment with which people LEARN to do and believe the things they do and believe. There is evidence from the hundreds of professionals who have or are dedicating their professional lives to finding the evil gene" (which I posted on a previous forum), failed to find it. The best they could come up with was a part of some DNA that could deliver violence BUT, everything depended upon the nurture the individual experiences during their life, especially their early years. i.e. DNA does not demand violence. Well the extensive Hawk and Dove observations certainly contradict that view in that Genes do tend to align animals with specific actions and an Alpha male tends to arise from Alpha male genes even when the Alpha male has no interaction with the young or any part in raising the sometimes enormous number of offspring. I go back to my Viking example whereby Berserk families were much favoured by leaders as they hoped that that trait would regularly appear within the family, which it did as it was an inherited trait not a nurtured one. They contradict nothing. All animals are hard wired to be wary of danger, specific actions are about survival which is the basic position of all animals including humans. No one claims that all DNA is the same, I gave you the example of different dogs. |
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