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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 3, 2024 11:25:28 GMT
The government are claiming they have processed a record number of asylum seekers, but what happens to them? Some 44% have been given citizenship. The rest either withdrew or were refused. But where are they? None have been extradited to my knowledge. Is it time we had identity cards? Yes. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 3, 2024 11:28:05 GMT
...The rest either withdrew or were refused. But where are they?... Working in your local car wash, brothel, dealing drugs or delivering your take-away. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 3, 2024 11:38:55 GMT
So exactly how will having another level of Bureaucracy stop illegal asylum seekers. When the government and the present level of Bureaucracy has done nothing to stop it. I'm told that one of the reasons that illegals don't stay in France is that it's practically impossible to gain any employment there without an ID card.
Whereas here they just become Deliveroo riders with no questions asked.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jan 3, 2024 11:40:41 GMT
They won't get any medical care either without a Carte Vitale with their picture on it.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 3, 2024 12:22:58 GMT
You need one to apply for a job and unscrupulous employers can be easily checked to see if they are employing illegal workers. A system that is used in the rest of Europe. Don’t we have this already ? Or has no one tried applying for a job since 1997 ish Given the amount if illegals working in the UK the present system is obviously not functioning correctly.. time to try something new. |
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Post by sheepy on Jan 3, 2024 17:41:06 GMT
Lot of old bollox, there were at least 300,000 to 400,000 illegals in France in 2017 alone.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 3, 2024 18:04:24 GMT
For me you should use your NI number, as that is linked to your right to work and right to claim benefits. Only issue is that these are only allocated at 16. Perhaps these should be allocated from the start of Child Benefit? If they added a photo to your NI details, that would do the job. One where you are obliged to update it every couple of years. As an employer we are obliged to take your NI number and add it to a HMRC certified accounts package (Such as Xero/Sage) But we have no way to check if its faked or if the number belongs to the person standing in front of us. Which isxwhybyou are also required to see a passport ….. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 3, 2024 19:31:17 GMT
Well in this digital age, more an identity number rather than a physical card. So, you apply for a job and you give your identity number, this brings up your photo on the government website. You are stopped by the police, same along with details about you the police can use to prove who you are. It would be a legal requirement to carry/give this number to the police if requested. Question back for you Dappy. What would you do about the asylum seekers and overstayers who simply disappear. There are estimated over a million people living illegally in the UK. Zany, for obvious reasons nobody knows the number of people living in the UK illegally. You seem to be linking that to asylum. Those two issues are not strongly related. If no one knows the numbers how do you know there is little link to asylum/ illegal migration? As I say estimates are in the area of 1.2 million. Some say far more. Overstaying your visa is another big concern and no one even checks who has left. I suspect that cost would be passed onto the individual as with the driving licence. I don't see why they need to be expensive. An app on your mobile would do the job. Because while its my duty to ensure that all new employees have legal right to work here, it is pretty impossible to do so. Certainly its difficult enough that any cheating employer could claim their innocence. When someone gives you their name and NI number and address, how do you know its them and not their brother or mate. The police would not call for them unless the government suggested it. That would be politically wrong. You repeat that its a complicated system. What's complicated about it? |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 3, 2024 19:32:08 GMT
...The rest either withdrew or were refused. But where are they?... Working in your local car wash, brothel, dealing drugs or delivering your take-away. Trouble is they could be working for me using a friends identity! |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 3, 2024 19:39:32 GMT
Working in your local car wash, brothel, dealing drugs or delivering your take-away. Trouble is they could be working for me using a friends identity! I suspect that's how quite a few operate.
Thing is, in France you can't employ them without an ID card - so you'd know if the person in front of you is who they claim to be.
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Post by sheepy on Jan 3, 2024 19:42:21 GMT
Which actually means you just make them all legal, which is why you suddenly have common ground.
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Post by sheepy on Jan 3, 2024 21:36:29 GMT
Oooh I never thought of that, probably not.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 3, 2024 22:13:32 GMT
Trouble is they could be working for me using a friends identity! I suspect that's how quite a few operate.
Thing is, in France you can't employ them without an ID card - so you'd know if the person in front of you is who they claim to be.
Exactly. |
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Post by sheepy on Jan 4, 2024 8:30:40 GMT
I suspect that's how quite a few operate.
Thing is, in France you can't employ them without an ID card - so you'd know if the person in front of you is who they claim to be.
Exactly. Except, you think everybody else is as dumb as a rock and will fall for it every time. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jan 4, 2024 9:18:16 GMT
Indeed. One of the biggest pulls (Directly after a 44% success rate in getting approval) must be the fact you can just disappear and no one bothers to check. Where are you getting your 44% figure from. As I understand it the current approval rate is around 67%. Why are you correlating people living here illegally with people who came here to claim asylum. Dappy is correct. During 2023 initial decisions were made in 112,138 asylum claims. Of these, 77,019 were substantive decisions (51,469 grants and 25,550 refusals, which is a grant rate of 67%). The remaining 35,119 cases were non-substantive decisions, that is withdrawals and other administrative decisions.
And of course the 44% (actually 67%) who received a positive decision are not given citizenship, as Zany claimed. They are given refugee status which lasts for five years. After that period there is supposed to be a review of present conditions in the state they have fled from to determine if it's safe to return. That never happens though and 100% go on to receive permanent residence and eventually citizenship.
As for the 60,000-odd refusals, withdrawals and voided claimants they're (practically) all still knocking around somewhere or other. There's no way to get rid of them.
There are an additional 94,000 'flow' cases (arrivals since June 2022) still in the backlog.
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