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Post by Pacifico on Jan 3, 2024 8:44:13 GMT
So exactly how will having another level of Bureaucracy stop illegal asylum seekers. When the government and the present level of Bureaucracy has done nothing to stop it. Reduce the pull factor. "I think it's time for the British government to change its internal law, to make it harder and harder for illegal migrants to get a job in the UK, to get a house in the UK, to live in communities in the UK," Pierre-Henri Dumont, French MP for the Calais area, told Euronews.
"Why all these migrants are in Calais is not because they want to stay in Calais, it's because they want to go to the UK because it's easier to be illegal in the UK than anywhere else in Europe."
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Post by zanygame on Jan 3, 2024 8:47:52 GMT
For me you should use your NI number, as that is linked to your right to work and right to claim benefits. Only issue is that these are only allocated at 16. Perhaps these should be allocated from the start of Child Benefit? If they added a photo to your NI details, that would do the job. One where you are obliged to update it every couple of years. As an employer we are obliged to take your NI number and add it to a HMRC certified accounts package (Such as Xero/Sage) But we have no way to check if its faked or if the number belongs to the person standing in front of us. |
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Post by sheepy on Jan 3, 2024 8:50:56 GMT
So exactly how will having another level of Bureaucracy stop illegal asylum seekers. When the government and the present level of Bureaucracy has done nothing to stop it. Reduce the pull factor. "I think it's time for the British government to change its internal law, to make it harder and harder for illegal migrants to get a job in the UK, to get a house in the UK, to live in communities in the UK," Pierre-Henri Dumont, French MP for the Calais area, told Euronews.
"Why all these migrants are in Calais is not because they want to stay in Calais, it's because they want to go to the UK because it's easier to be illegal in the UK than anywhere else in Europe."
Yet they have a massive problem of their own, so I am thinking it is purely a deflection. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 3, 2024 8:51:06 GMT
Don't think it actually needs to be physical - the cost of maintaining a physical card would be huge, and also keeping those up to date would be hugely bureaucratic. An electronic database would be much more preferable. The cost would be minimal compared to what we pay for hotels. And if I had my way they should also speak English or have a grasp of it. Indeed. One of the biggest pulls (Directly after a 44% success rate in getting approval) must be the fact you can just disappear and no one bothers to check. |
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Post by sheepy on Jan 3, 2024 9:01:08 GMT
As I actually don't think more punishment should be dished out and more freedoms lost forever without a fight for them, because someone as usual has deflected their problems onto the rest of us, the illegal asylum seekers are in Calais because they can be. Not because we need identity cards.They cross the channel because people don't stop the people trafficking before they get that far.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jan 3, 2024 9:11:34 GMT
For me you should use your NI number, as that is linked to your right to work and right to claim benefits. Only issue is that these are only allocated at 16. Perhaps these should be allocated from the start of Child Benefit? Not with the present system of allocating NINOs. There have been numerous reports of numbers being issued to people who never arrived and of numbers being issued to illegal migrants. |
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Post by dappy on Jan 3, 2024 9:11:53 GMT
Not sure I see the point of identity cards. Very expensive to implement. How practically would you suggest they are Used? Well in this digital age, more an identity number rather than a physical card. So, you apply for a job and you give your identity number, this brings up your photo on the government website. You are stopped by the police, same along with details about you the police can use to prove who you are. It would be a legal requirement to carry/give this number to the police if requested. Question back for you Dappy. What would you do about the asylum seekers and overstayers who simply disappear. There are estimated over a million people living illegally in the UK. Zany, for obvious reasons nobody knows the number of people living in the UK illegally. You seem to be linking that to asylum. Those two issues are not strongly related. I don't have a moral objection to identity cards, just don't really see the point. We already have identity documents in passports and NI numbers, not convinced we need another very expensive one. As you are no doubt aware, it is already the responsibility of an employer to ensure that all new employees have legal right to work here. Other organisations like banks similarly check status before opening an account. Again not convinced we need another document. I am not aware that the police have a major issue identifying people they get involved with. If they tell us they need identity cards to do their job, I would listen. As far as i know they are not saying that. We have limited numbers of police already. I want them dealing with crime and unsocial behaviour not enforcing stopping people at random in the street for immigration purposes. Those employers who are happy to pay cash in hand and not worry too much about immigration status now would surely still do so. It is not clear that throwing money at a complicated system would achieve anything in practice. If there was evidence that it would I would listen but at the moment it seems an idea that doesnt materially solve any problem yet costs a fortune. |
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Post by dappy on Jan 3, 2024 9:14:27 GMT
The cost would be minimal compared to what we pay for hotels. And if I had my way they should also speak English or have a grasp of it. Indeed. One of the biggest pulls (Directly after a 44% success rate in getting approval) must be the fact you can just disappear and no one bothers to check. Where are you getting your 44% figure from. As I understand it the current approval rate is around 67%. Why are you correlating people living here illegally with people who came here to claim asylum. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jan 3, 2024 9:19:34 GMT
Biometric identity cards (like asylum seekers and other migrants are already required to carry) as well as a continental-style population register are the only ways to keep track of an increasingly transient population.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 3, 2024 9:25:37 GMT
Does any one honestly believe for one moment that these boat loads of 'young single migrant males' are coming here to 'work' .......... LOL
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 3, 2024 9:58:39 GMT
Not sure I see the point of identity cards. Very expensive to implement. How practically would you suggest they are Used? You need one to apply for a job and unscrupulous employers can be easily checked to see if they are employing illegal workers. A system that is used in the rest of Europe. Don’t we have this already ? Or has no one tried applying for a job since 1997 ish |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 3, 2024 10:02:43 GMT
Does any one honestly believe for one moment that these boat loads of 'young single migrant males' are coming here to 'work' .......... LOL Actually yes i do. I think the problem is that the overwhelming majority of people on those boats are coming here in expectation of doing exactly that, thinking the money they can make while doing so is huge, not understanding the outrageous cost of everything in the UK compared to the rat infested shithole they are leaving. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 3, 2024 10:41:34 GMT
Does any one honestly believe for one moment that these boat loads of 'young single migrant males' are coming here to 'work' .......... LOL Actually yes i do. I think the problem is that the overwhelming majority of people on those boats are coming here in expectation of doing exactly that, thinking the money they can make while doing so is huge, not understanding the outrageous cost of everything in the UK compared to the rat infested shithole they are leaving. If you look at successful migrant applicants, most of them are just lounging around on benefits, it's a myth that these young single males are desperate for work so need their applications processed and successful so they can find work ......... poppycock.
Once they get their application approved they go on the hunt for young single girls, so they can seed them, get a council house and scrounge of the system, sorry john but that's reality, the only ones who want to work in the UK are those using the legal process to do so.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 3, 2024 10:53:49 GMT
Actually yes i do. I think the problem is that the overwhelming majority of people on those boats are coming here in expectation of doing exactly that, thinking the money they can make while doing so is huge, not understanding the outrageous cost of everything in the UK compared to the rat infested shithole they are leaving. If you look at successful migrant applicants, most of them are just lounging around on benefits, it's a myth that these young single males are desperate for work so need their applications processed and successful so they can find work ......... poppycock.
Once they get their application approved they go on the hunt for young single girls, so they can seed them, get a council house and scrounge of the system, sorry john but that's reality, the only ones who want to work in the UK are those using the legal process to do so.
We have a situation now where there are more people on GP's waiting list than we have in the UK
GP surgeries could be earning almost £1 billion from ‘ghost patients’
'Ghost patients' boost GP coffers by £955 million after figures rise by two thirds in the past five years.
Number of ‘ghost patients’ registered with NHS GPs up two-thirds since 2018
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 3, 2024 11:01:34 GMT
If you look at successful migrant applicants, most of them are just lounging around on benefits, it's a myth that these young single males are desperate for work so need their applications processed and successful so they can find work ......... poppycock.
Once they get their application approved they go on the hunt for young single girls, so they can seed them, get a council house and scrounge of the system, sorry john but that's reality, the only ones who want to work in the UK are those using the legal process to do so.
We have a situation now where there are more people on GP's waiting list than we have in the UK
GP surgeries could be earning almost £1 billion from ‘ghost patients’
'Ghost patients' boost GP coffers by £955 million after figures rise by two thirds in the past five years.
Number of ‘ghost patients’ registered with NHS GPs up two-thirds since 2018
Thanks to Tony Blair, GPs now have a licence to print money, they can work part time, they can have their private practice, they can work from home, they can do telephone consultations, with a minimum of £80,000 starting point, and most of them play politics because they are lefty woke snowflakes, and when they retire they join organizations like JSO, because they get a BIG FAT pension pot, and are bored to fuckin death. |
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