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Post by Totheleft on Jan 1, 2024 1:26:41 GMT
The latest polls show that 54% think we are worse of leaving the EU.
Only 23% think we did the right thing .
When labour win the GE think sir Keir should build stronger links with the EU.
Again
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Post by steppenwolf on Jan 1, 2024 9:02:54 GMT
I don't think a "poll" of the general public is an appropriate way of determining whether we're better or worse off for leaving the EU. This is what official figures are for. Also, if you remember, the main point of leaving the EU was NOT to improve the economy necessarily - it was to take back control of our sovereignty. The Remain campaign made dire predictions about the effect it would have on the economy - none of which occurred BTW - but people voted for our country being controlled by our government.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 1, 2024 9:08:19 GMT
I don't think a "poll" of the general public is an appropriate way of determining whether we're better or worse off for leaving the EU. This is what official figures are for. And what official figures would you go off . Business saying there struggling since we left the EU?. Or the Countries high inflation rate is mainly driven by us leaving the EU? |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 1, 2024 9:13:51 GMT
I don't think a "poll" of the general public is an appropriate way of determining whether we're better or worse off for leaving the EU. This is what official figures are for. Also, if you remember, the main point of leaving the EU was NOT to improve the economy necessarily - it was to take back control of our sovereignty. The Remain campaign made dire predictions about the effect it would have on the economy - none of which occurred BTW - but people voted for our country being controlled by our government. Another reason if not the main reason People voted leaving the EU. Was that immigration would lower what obviously hasn't. Another lie told by the leave campaign. That's despite people including me saying That immigration would increase from thirdworld countries. And we been proven right . |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 1, 2024 12:10:04 GMT
I don't think a "poll" of the general public is an appropriate way of determining whether we're better or worse off for leaving the EU. This is what official figures are for. And what official figures would you go off . Business saying there struggling since we left the EU?. Or the Countries high inflation rate is mainly driven by us leaving the EU? Hearsay - what are the trade statistics saying. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 1, 2024 12:29:47 GMT
And what official figures would you go off . Business saying there struggling since we left the EU?. Or the Countries high inflation rate is mainly driven by us leaving the EU? Hearsay - what are the trade statistics saying. What official source would you like me to use use them put out by this Bias anti EU Government. Lol |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jan 2, 2024 8:30:58 GMT
You are an example of the problem TTL. You simply don't know the facts. The facts are that the amount of trade we do with the EU has gone up since leaving. As for inflation that's got SFA to do with leaving the EU. Inflation has increased in all EU countries - and Germany is in recession. The reason why inflation is slightly higher in the UK is because Sunak took it upon himself to give over £400 billion in furlough - way more than any EU country got. Was that a good idea? I don't think so, but it has nothing to do with leaving the EU.
As for the leave campaign saying that leaving the EU would reduce migration that's also not true. Leaving the EU ALLOWS us to control legal immigration. Unfortunately the Tory party chose to impose Sunak on us as PM and Sunak has said (many times) that he wants more visas for Indians. So we now have vast numbers of Indians and their aging relatives pouring in via Heathrow. So legal migration has TRIPLED. But that's not to do with leaving the EU either. It's because Sunak is a fucking idiot and NOT a true Brexiteer.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 2, 2024 8:36:47 GMT
Hearsay - what are the trade statistics saying. What official source would you like me to use use them put out by this Bias anti EU Government. Lol You have better sources than the official statistics put out by the ONS? - then feel free to post them. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 2, 2024 8:41:47 GMT
You are an example of the problem TTL. You simply don't know the facts. The facts are that the amount of trade we do with the EU has gone up since leaving. As for inflation that's got SFA to do with leaving the EU. Inflation has increased in all EU countries - and Germany is in recession. The reason why inflation is slightly higher in the UK is because Sunak took it upon himself to give over £400 billion in furlough - way more than any EU country got. Was that a good idea? I don't think so, but it has nothing to do with leaving the EU. As for the leave campaign saying that leaving the EU would reduce migration that's also not true. Leaving the EU ALLOWS us to control legal immigration. Unfortunately the Tory party chose to impose Sunak on us as PM and Sunak has said (many times) that he wants more visas for Indians. So we now have vast numbers of Indians and their aging relatives pouring in via Heathrow. So legal migration has TRIPLED. But that's not to do with leaving the EU either. It's because Sunak is a fucking idiot and NOT a true Brexiteer. And who was a True Brexiteer The man responsible for Many Deaths during covid Boris Johnson? |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 2, 2024 8:48:19 GMT
What official source would you like me to use use them put out by this Bias anti EU Government. Lol You have better sources than the official statistics put out by the ONS? - then feel free to post them. So you think that the Best Source is them put out by the Bias Anti -EU Government. Don't make me laugh Would you think the source for the conflict in Garzza would be the Palestinian Aurthorityso. Lol |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 2, 2024 9:05:55 GMT
You are an example of the problem TTL. You simply don't know the facts. The facts are that the amount of trade we do with the EU has gone up since leaving. As for inflation that's got SFA to do with leaving the EU. Inflation has increased in all EU countries - and Germany is in recession. The reason why inflation is slightly higher in the UK is because Sunak took it upon himself to give over £400 billion in furlough - way more than any EU country got. Was that a good idea? I don't think so, but it has nothing to do with leaving the EU. As for the leave campaign saying that leaving the EU would reduce migration that's also not true. Leaving the EU ALLOWS us to control legal immigration. Unfortunately the Tory party chose to impose Sunak on us as PM and Sunak has said (many times) that he wants more visas for Indians. So we now have vast numbers of Indians and their aging relatives pouring in via Heathrow. So legal migration has TRIPLED. But that's not to do with leaving the EU either. It's because Sunak is a fucking idiot and NOT a true Brexiteer. Really has it gone up seeing that imports from The EU is lower why do we have such a high Deficit As of the third quarter of 2023, the value of goods exported to the European Union from the United Kingdom was 46.3 billion British pounds, compared with 77.8 billion pounds of goods imported, resulting in a negative goods trade balance with the EU of around 31.6 billion pounds. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 2, 2024 9:29:04 GMT
On the old Democracy Forum, I remember you confidently telling us the majority opposed leaving in the first place and that we were going to stay in the EU.
Wrong then, wrong now.
Seriously, forget polls, just live and be grateful for being alive.
In 2015, the last year before the referendum we sold £223.3 billion a year to the EU.
Adjusting for inflation that's £297 billion.
In 2022 the UK sold £340 billion to the EU. That's £43 billion a year more than we'd have sold whilst members.
So here's a poll for you.
Should we make ourselves poorer, ditch our sovereignty in the process and pay £20 billion a year to the EU, in order to not be independent, democratic or prosperous? Yes / No.
You don't have to answer the question as obviously the answer will be NO.
I did say forget polls, as any result can be achieved with leading questions, this was just to illustrate the point.
But you have to remember, our currency was overvalued before the referendum, it was a huge non tariff barrier to exports.
Now it's more competitive, the value of our exports has gone up.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 2, 2024 9:37:04 GMT
You are an example of the problem TTL. You simply don't know the facts. The facts are that the amount of trade we do with the EU has gone up since leaving. As for inflation that's got SFA to do with leaving the EU. Inflation has increased in all EU countries - and Germany is in recession. The reason why inflation is slightly higher in the UK is because Sunak took it upon himself to give over £400 billion in furlough - way more than any EU country got. Was that a good idea? I don't think so, but it has nothing to do with leaving the EU. As for the leave campaign saying that leaving the EU would reduce migration that's also not true. Leaving the EU ALLOWS us to control legal immigration. Unfortunately the Tory party chose to impose Sunak on us as PM and Sunak has said (many times) that he wants more visas for Indians. So we now have vast numbers of Indians and their aging relatives pouring in via Heathrow. So legal migration has TRIPLED. But that's not to do with leaving the EU either. It's because Sunak is a fucking idiot and NOT a true Brexiteer. Just looked at several sources in the affects Of trade with the EU since we left and most say we have a deficit of exported trade to the EU of 10% The only one who gave a positive result Was a Bias anti EU organisation. They tried twisting all the the negative reports by saying that they haven't included other effects like The Eukain Russian war . |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 2, 2024 9:42:42 GMT
In 2016, the year we voted leave, we sold £235.8 billion to the EU but imported £318 billion from it meaning the trade deficit was 25.14%. www.ons.gov.uk/businessindustryandtrade/internationaltrade/articles/whodoestheuktradewith/2017-02-21The reason we sold £235.8 billion that year rather than the £223.3 billion we sold the year before, was that we voted to leave the EU and it "crashed the pound", something most remoaners at the time were very upset about. But in doing so, a huge non tariff barrier to trade was removed and our exports increased. We already have the statistics from 2022, but soon we'll have the statistics from 2023. In 2022 £340 billion exported to the EU. Our trade with the rest of the world was similarly much improved. researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7851/CBP-7851.pdfI do hope this gives you some reassurance that we don't need to be hanging from the EU's apron strings in order to survive. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 2, 2024 11:44:28 GMT
You have better sources than the official statistics put out by the ONS? - then feel free to post them. So you think that the Best Source is them put out by the Bias Anti -EU Government. Don't make me laugh Would you think the source for the conflict in Garzza would be the Palestinian Aurthorityso. Lol So what source do you use to give you the information needed to make an informed decision? |
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