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Post by sheepy on Dec 31, 2023 14:51:06 GMT
Personally, I find Tolkien hard going but entertaining if you don't take it seriously, while yes minster is hilarious in the fact it is the best comedy which has some basis in the truth.
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Post by thomas on Dec 31, 2023 15:00:19 GMT
No, I'm not. The BNP made great propaganda from the messaging of LOTR. The lefties had no answer to it. You reminded me that Wormtongue was the character they assigned to home secretary David Blunkett, he of 'There is no obvious upper limit to the number of immigrants that Britain can absorb' fame. Before your time no doubt. thanks Danny. Do I sound that young on the forum? obviously im not quite as old as you , someone who remembers the halcyon days of warm beer on the village lawn watching the anglo saxons dance round the maypole to the grim chanting of beowulf. I can't help it if Rishi can't control your borders . you will have to do better than preaching about hordes of orcs rocking up on Hastings beach to a few disgruntled skinheads down the nags head if you want the BNP to be a political force. What happened to nick griffin any way?
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Post by thomas on Dec 31, 2023 15:02:37 GMT
Personally, I find Tolkien hard going but entertaining if you don't take it seriously, while yes minster is hilarious in the fact it is the best comedy which has some basis in the truth. sheepy , I read the hobbit when I was 8 years old something like that , and the LOTR not long after. Its not hard going at all. perhaps something by Alexandre Dumas would be more fitting for you Norman interlopers down in Hastings...
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Post by sheepy on Dec 31, 2023 15:05:52 GMT
Personally, I find Tolkien hard going but entertaining if you don't take it seriously, while yes minster is hilarious in the fact it is the best comedy which has some basis in the truth. sheepy , I read the hobbit when I was 8 years old something like that , and the LOTR not long after. Its not hard going at all. perhaps something by Alexandre Dumas would be more fitting for you Norman interlopers down in Hastings... It's a personal thing with we Normans, all that war mongering and marching hoards, doesn't do much for us, not like you sassenachs in Scotland.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2023 15:54:54 GMT
No, I'm not. The BNP made great propaganda from the messaging of LOTR. The lefties had no answer to it. You reminded me that Wormtongue was the character they assigned to home secretary David Blunkett, he of 'There is no obvious upper limit to the number of immigrants that Britain can absorb' fame. Before your time no doubt. The establishment Left are all about censorship and they're very shit story tellers. It's all about mixing up as many races and genders as possible to defy belief. There is no other plot and it's killing the entertainment industry.
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Post by thomas on Dec 31, 2023 16:23:30 GMT
Chookie , I bet you couldn't even spell the Silmarillion , never mind know what is being talked about.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 31, 2023 16:24:20 GMT
I doubt that many BNP members would have or could have read LOTR.
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Post by wapentake on Dec 31, 2023 16:29:07 GMT
I doubt that many BNP members would have or could have read LOTR.
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Post by thomas on Dec 31, 2023 16:46:59 GMT
I doubt that many BNP members would have or could have read LOTR. `Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it them? Then don't be too quick to deal out death in judgement. For even the wise cannot see all ends...`
Gandalf the grey
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2023 16:52:08 GMT
I doubt that many BNP members would have or could have read LOTR. That's the thing. I never supported the party but those I've spoke to are actually articulate. It's the same the world over, even amongst the American lot. It's the establishment Left who have run down the schools and created the generation of uneducated banner waving imbeciles.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 31, 2023 16:59:58 GMT
I doubt that many BNP members would have or could have read LOTR. That's the thing. I never supported the party but those I've spoke to are actually articulate. It's the same the world over, even amongst the American lot. It's the establishment Left who have run down the schools and created the generation of uneducated banner waving imbeciles. Maybe but Tolkien is never going to resonate with most BNP supporters . Better to stick with “ If you want a n*gg*r for your neighbour , vote Labour “. Keep it simple for the skinheads .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2023 17:03:52 GMT
That's the thing. I never supported the party but those I've spoke to are actually articulate. It's the same the world over, even amongst the American lot. It's the establishment Left who have run down the schools and created the generation of uneducated banner waving imbeciles. Maybe but Tolkien is never going to resonate with most BNP supporters . Better to stick with “ If you want a n*gg*r for your neighbour , vote Labour “. Keep it simple for the skinheads . I can't speak for most of their supporters, and certainly wouldn't judge them based on their adversaries. I simply didn't go for their brand of socialism, but they made a few good arguments which nobody listened to. If they did we may have been spared from a lot of the problems we see today instead of jumping into bed with another extreme.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 31, 2023 17:15:30 GMT
Maybe but Tolkien is never going to resonate with most BNP supporters . Better to stick with “ If you want a n*gg*r for your neighbour , vote Labour “. Keep it simple for the skinheads . I can't speak for most of their supporters, and certainly wouldn't judge them based on their adversaries. I simply didn't go for their brand of socialism, but they made a few good arguments which nobody listened to. If they did we may have been spared from a lot of the problems we see today instead of jumping into bed with another extreme. I’m sure they had some good arguments. Problem is that they were seen as a one dimensional party defined by football hooligan loser supporters . Certainly not Tolkien fans . As an aside , for what I remember of The Hobbit and the LOTR trilogy , they can be seen through a woke lens just as much as a racist one. I read them in my teens though .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2023 17:20:11 GMT
I can't speak for most of their supporters, and certainly wouldn't judge them based on their adversaries. I simply didn't go for their brand of socialism, but they made a few good arguments which nobody listened to. If they did we may have been spared from a lot of the problems we see today instead of jumping into bed with another extreme. I’m sure they had some good arguments. Problem is that they were seen as a one dimensional party defined by football hooligan loser supporters . Certainly not Tolkien fans . As an aside , for what I remember of The Hobbit and the LOTR trilogy , they can be seen through a woke lens just as much as a racist one. I read them in my teens though . Of course, the establishment Left had to portray them as everything bad to prevent losing support to them. We saw this at the BBC. Dan Dare appears to disagree about the Tolkien argument, and I'm sure he knows more about them than I do.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 31, 2023 18:54:09 GMT
I can't speak for most of their supporters, and certainly wouldn't judge them based on their adversaries. I simply didn't go for their brand of socialism, but they made a few good arguments which nobody listened to. If they did we may have been spared from a lot of the problems we see today instead of jumping into bed with another extreme. I’m sure they had some good arguments. Problem is that they were seen as a one dimensional party defined by football hooligan loser supporters . Certainly not Tolkien fans . As an aside , for what I remember of The Hobbit and the LOTR trilogy , they can be seen through a woke lens just as much as a racist one. I read them in my teens though . I'd say that depends on whether you refer to the original books or the later Hollywood renditions, especially the Amazon version of the Silmarillion.
I don't think you can say the books are particularly woke and, as far as the above citation about Tolkien's disavowal of any völkisch tendencies it would be interesting to learn when he said that and to whom. It seems unnecessarily defensive to me and certainly not something he would have said prior to WWII and the subsequent revelations of Nazi atrocities in Eastern Europe.
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