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Post by Pacifico on Jan 9, 2024 11:54:26 GMT
Outstanding news! - as heat pumps are so much better than gas boilers we can now scrap all subsidies of them and allow them to thrive in the market.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 9, 2024 11:57:01 GMT
Outstanding news! - as heat pumps are so much better than gas boilers we can now scrap all subsidies of them and allow them to thrive in the market. Poor old zany will blow a gasket. Who in their right minds would think a reversed fridge would be better than a boiler.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 9, 2024 22:05:18 GMT
Outstanding news! - as heat pumps are so much better than gas boilers we can now scrap all subsidies of them and allow them to thrive in the market. I think we have reached this point, at least for new houses. The thing is though fuel prices are all over the place, so if gas becomes really cheap and electricity becomes really expensive because of too many electric cars and heat pumps then it might flip back the other way. The bugger is that you can generate all your electricity in the summer, but in the UK any solar array will give less than 10% in the winter. You can fit your own wind turbine to your house though, but I'm unsure how quiet they are.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 24, 2024 14:38:31 GMT
inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/money/bills/heat-pump-regret-energy-bills-2859627She told i: “I have the heating on all the time but instead of running for a few hours, and then turning it off while it maintains the temperature, my heat pump is running up to 15 hours a day. It’s costing up somewhere in the region of £20 a day.” This is the equivalent of around £600 a month, nearly six times more than her initial estimate. Jane also had to deal with the unit sensors in the water tank breaking down more than once, which meant she didn’t have any hot water. She said: “It was really stressful. We also ran into problems with the fans. I realised they had been using £8 of energy a day but weren’t doing anything. “We’ve had people come back lots of times to try and sort the issues but they’re carrying on.” Jane was lucky her solar panels kicked in to keep the water warm, but she is still struggling to heat the rest of the house. She said: “The radiators aren’t getting warm. I gave it weeks to bed in but our rooms just weren’t warming up. I called the company and said ‘something’s not right’ and they just gave me one excuse after another. There were also problems with the underfloor heating.” The noise coming from her heat pump has also disturbed her. “There are pipes and pumps in the airing cupboard. It’s constantly whooshing and sounds like a burst pipe. “The heat pump needs to keep itself defrosted when its cold so its whizzing around at night and it sounds like a helicopter is taking off outside the bedroom.”
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 24, 2024 16:17:09 GMT
They nearly doubled in 2021 and rose again by nearly 40% in 2022. Even in this year from hell another 18,000 were installed in the first half of 2023. But we fall far behind other countries, because of our ignorance on how they work and the terrible clickbait uneducated Brits seem to rely on. Your evidence based replies please. ZG, although I cant 'prove' this, I have mentioned it before. A chap who I sometimes chat to in the pub had a heat pump fitted two or three years ago. After the first winter he had a woodburner fitted. He said the heat pump works fine in the summer but does not keep the house warm in the winter. Since I had no reason to disbelieve him I didn't ask for proof.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 24, 2024 16:30:13 GMT
They nearly doubled in 2021 and rose again by nearly 40% in 2022. Even in this year from hell another 18,000 were installed in the first half of 2023. But we fall far behind other countries, because of our ignorance on how they work and the terrible clickbait uneducated Brits seem to rely on. Your evidence based replies please. ZG, although I cant 'prove' this, I have mentioned it before. A chap who I sometimes chat to in the pub had a heat pump fitted two or three years ago. After the first winter he had a woodburner fitted. He said the heat pump works fine in the summer but does not keep the house warm in the winter. Since I had no reason to disbelieve him I didn't ask for proof. You hear this time and time again but the net zero zealots just adopt the post office position and refuse to accept it.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 24, 2024 16:32:07 GMT
ZG, although I cant 'prove' this, I have mentioned it before. A chap who I sometimes chat to in the pub had a heat pump fitted two or three years ago. After the first winter he had a woodburner fitted. He said the heat pump works fine in the summer but does not keep the house warm in the winter. Since I had no reason to disbelieve him I didn't ask for proof. You hear this time and time again but the net zero zealots just adopt the post office position and refuse to accept it. Yes indeed 'adopt the post office position', very good. And very true.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jan 24, 2024 16:33:18 GMT
Red - anecdotal reportage is rarely persuasive especially when the same little piece of (unverifiable) 'evidence' is offered up time and time again.
I think we've all heard enough about the experiences of your pub acquaintance and his heat pump so my friendly advice to you would be to come up with something new, something documented and verifiable, or alternatively exit the heat pump discussion until such time as you can. You're not adding anything to our store of knowledge.
Your pal, Dan.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 24, 2024 16:59:38 GMT
Red - anecdotal reportage is rarely persuasive especially when the same little piece of (unverifiable) 'evidence' is offered up time and time again. I think we've all heard enough about the experiences of your pub acquaintance and his heat pump so my friendly advice to you would be to come up with something new, something documented and verifiable, or alternatively exit the heat pump discussion until such time as you can. You're not adding anything to our store of knowledge. Your pal, Dan. Dan, do I assume too much if I assume you have access to google? EXCLUSIVE The great heat pump revolt: From couple forced to use plug in radiators after waiting five months for broken device to be fixed, to man who had to install log-fired boiler after waking up every morning to a cold house - link
Six reasons not to buy a heat pump - linkHeat pumps leave some homes so cold people are ripping them out - linkMan facing £7k a year energy bills wants to 'rip out' government-backed heat pump that's 'left home cold' - link
Why heat pumps will never work in Britain - linkThe Heat Pump Con - linkBosch tells homeowners heat pumps don’t work in old homes - link
Etc etc etc...
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Post by Dan Dare on Jan 24, 2024 17:29:33 GMT
I think all these 'sources' have already been cited at one time or another by one or another of the anti-heat pump Crusaders here.
The common theme appears to be that a majority of the housing stock in the UK is unsuited for heat pumps because they are poorly insulated or of otherwise inferior construction, which is really the kernel of the problem rather than any inherent defect of heat pumps themselves.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 24, 2024 17:41:02 GMT
Their inherent weakness is that they are nowhere near as responsive or effective as gas boilers . The defect is in the minds of the people who insist that they are not essentially a niche kind of heating method.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 24, 2024 18:01:36 GMT
They nearly doubled in 2021 and rose again by nearly 40% in 2022. Even in this year from hell another 18,000 were installed in the first half of 2023. But we fall far behind other countries, because of our ignorance on how they work and the terrible clickbait uneducated Brits seem to rely on. Your evidence based replies please. ZG, although I cant 'prove' this, I have mentioned it before. A chap who I sometimes chat to in the pub had a heat pump fitted two or three years ago. After the first winter he had a woodburner fitted. He said the heat pump works fine in the summer but does not keep the house warm in the winter. Since I had no reason to disbelieve him I didn't ask for proof. You could be right. In the early days there were a number of split systems being sold that only worked down to 5 degrees C, we had a couple fitted at work. They were basically air conditioning units that could be reversed to give heat. More recent ones work down to -15 degrees. With total honesty the only time my system has not fully coped was when we had a short spell at minus 9 degrees.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 24, 2024 18:09:20 GMT
I think all these 'sources' have already been cited at one time or another by one or another of the anti-heat pump Crusaders here. The common theme appears to be that a majority of the housing stock in the UK is unsuited for heat pumps because they are poorly insulated or of otherwise inferior construction, which is really the kernel of the problem rather than any inherent defect of heat pumps themselves.
Well surely the 'defect' is that heat pumps as a technology are unsuitable for much of the housing stock in the UK.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 24, 2024 18:21:36 GMT
Their inherent weakness is that they are nowhere near as responsive or effective as gas boilers . The defect is in the minds of the people who insist that they are not essentially a niche kind of heating method. I was watching this programme earlier called The Fully Charged Show and was rather pissed off with them in that they were essentially lying and over-selling them. This is why the public never trusts these bastards. If they told the truth no one would buy a duff heat pump and everyone who bought one would have made the right choice. It's when you pay 12 grand and it fucks up and then you start talking to others which is their downfall. Brexit was another example of this. It was a reasonable thing to do, but anyone in the know, knew it would never be an instant fix to our immigration and economy. Now they don't trust anything they say.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 24, 2024 18:27:54 GMT
Their inherent weakness is that they are nowhere near as responsive or effective as gas boilers . The defect is in the minds of the people who insist that they are not essentially a niche kind of heating method. I was watching this programme earlier called The Fully Charged Show and was rather pissed off with them in that they were essentially lying and over-selling them. This is why the public never trusts these bastards. If they told the truth no one would buy a duff heat pump and everyone who bought one would have made the right choice. It's when you pay 12 grand and it fucks up and then you start talking to others which is their downfall. Brexit was another example of this. It was a reasonable thing to do, but anyone in the know, knew it would never be an instant fix to our immigration and economy. Now they don't trust anything they say. I agree with the first part . Not sure how Brexit can be compared though . Heat pumps work in highly insulated houses that are condensation free. So I suppose Brexit would have worked if the UK was highly insulated and condensation free.
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