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Post by Bentley on Dec 31, 2023 23:28:13 GMT
My neighbour fitted a heat pump to heat an out building. It wasn’t silent . He used a heat pump to heat a swimming pool. It wasn’t silent . My son in law has fitted a heat pump . It isn’t silent. There is an issue regarding air heat pump noise . To deny it is simply dishonest. Do you mean the outside unit? They make about the same noise as a desk fan. The indoor units are silent. You made a great noise about personal experience of heat pumps in a previous post . In my experience of an outside heat pump unit ..they make more noise than a desk fan . Especially in sub zero temperatures. So it must be true ..right ?
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Post by zanygame on Jan 1, 2024 0:45:24 GMT
Do you mean the outside unit? They make about the same noise as a desk fan. The indoor units are silent. You made a great noise about personal experience of heat pumps in a previous post . In my experience of an outside heat pump unit ..they make more noise than a desk fan . Especially in sub zero temperatures. So it must be true ..right ? There's a few live tests available on You tube. If I sit in our Gazebo I can't hear our outside units. Which are no ore than 15 mtrs away.
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Post by steppenwolf on Jan 1, 2024 8:23:55 GMT
I know that you peddle the delights of EVs and passed on one . I know that you pretend your heat pump is the best thing since sliced bread . Ive spoken to gas engineers , electricians , studied heat pumps on the university google and YouTube , spoke to sensible heat pump owners , was going to buy a new build with a heat pump …and I pretty much know enough about heat pumps to make a reasonable judgement. I tend to doubt one bloke who’s fallen in love with his heat pump like a 10 year old girl and her Barbie doll. I also remember when I owned a 200SX . A car that never does more than about 20/25 mpg….but there was always a few owners thst insisted THEIR one did 35/40mpg…you always get one. A gas boiler didn’t bugger up the atmosphere . It’s a lie from the cult of the doom goblin . With enough research and investment Hydrogen will be viable . Ask Cadent . You don’t want to believe it because of the massive emotional investment you have invested in your hobby horse . I have heat pumps and speak from personal experience. I'm honest enough to point out the faults of the radiator type. You rely on clickbait and imagination and know little about how they work or their capabilities. I don't care if you believe me, I would be more than happy if you ignored me as you bring nothing new to the conversation beyond your bile. The MPG on my Hybrid was shared with all via a photograph of my dashboard so know need for me to exaggerate. My figures are also borne out by various car magazine reviews. You are a sad soul indeed. We disagree on Hydrogen, but time will tell. It's the official mileage figure, zany, taken on the WLTP test but it's known to be a gross exaggeration of the actual figure. The actual figure for that car running on diesel is less than 40 mpg. You can run the car entirely on electricity (if you charge up before each trip and always do trips less than 30 miles - and you get a special deal for electric cars of 7.5p/kWh) but that's not using the car the way most people do - AND you'll find that your deal on electricity will not last long because it's basically a subsidised price which other people are being charged for. As for a gas boiler "buggering up the atmosphere" it doesn't. It generates CO2 of course but that's an essential part of our atmosphere without which we'd be dead. As I've said before the recorded temperature increase between 1850 and 2000 is about 1.1C. You choose to believe that this is caused by an increase in CO2 from about 280ppm to about 420ppm, but I'd suggest that another more likely cause is that the world's population has increased (in that time) from about 1 billion to nearly 8 billion - and 80% of the world's land surface has been repurposed for infrastructure, crops etc. (That's the figure the David Attenborough gave on Planet Earth III). There's no empirical evidence whatsoever that raising CO2 this amount causes warming, but there is plenty of empirical evidence that chopping trees down for crops and building houses all over the place MOST certainly does.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 1, 2024 10:58:15 GMT
You made a great noise about personal experience of heat pumps in a previous post . In my experience of an outside heat pump unit ..they make more noise than a desk fan . Especially in sub zero temperatures. So it must be true ..right ? There's a few live tests available on You tube. If I sit in our Gazebo I can't hear our outside units. Which are no ore than 15 mtrs away. I believe specsavers do hearing tests .
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Post by zanygame on Jan 1, 2024 19:43:21 GMT
I have heat pumps and speak from personal experience. I'm honest enough to point out the faults of the radiator type. You rely on clickbait and imagination and know little about how they work or their capabilities. I don't care if you believe me, I would be more than happy if you ignored me as you bring nothing new to the conversation beyond your bile. The MPG on my Hybrid was shared with all via a photograph of my dashboard so know need for me to exaggerate. My figures are also borne out by various car magazine reviews. You are a sad soul indeed. We disagree on Hydrogen, but time will tell. It's the official mileage figure, zany, taken on the WLTP test but it's known to be a gross exaggeration of the actual figure. The actual figure for that car running on diesel is less than 40 mpg. You can run the car entirely on electricity (if you charge up before each trip and always do trips less than 30 miles - and you get a special deal for electric cars of 7.5p/kWh) but that's not using the car the way most people do - AND you'll find that your deal on electricity will not last long because it's basically a subsidised price which other people are being charged for. As for a gas boiler "buggering up the atmosphere" it doesn't. It generates CO2 of course but that's an essential part of our atmosphere without which we'd be dead. As I've said before the recorded temperature increase between 1850 and 2000 is about 1.1C. You choose to believe that this is caused by an increase in CO2 from about 280ppm to about 420ppm, but I'd suggest that another more likely cause is that the world's population has increased (in that time) from about 1 billion to nearly 8 billion - and 80% of the world's land surface has been repurposed for infrastructure, crops etc. (That's the figure the David Attenborough gave on Planet Earth III). There's no empirical evidence whatsoever that raising CO2 this amount causes warming, but there is plenty of empirical evidence that chopping trees down for crops and building houses all over the place MOST certainly does. Been there done that. Night time rates are here for the duration.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 1, 2024 20:01:45 GMT
It's the official mileage figure, zany, taken on the WLTP test but it's known to be a gross exaggeration of the actual figure. The actual figure for that car running on diesel is less than 40 mpg. You can run the car entirely on electricity (if you charge up before each trip and always do trips less than 30 miles - and you get a special deal for electric cars of 7.5p/kWh) but that's not using the car the way most people do - AND you'll find that your deal on electricity will not last long because it's basically a subsidised price which other people are being charged for. As for a gas boiler "buggering up the atmosphere" it doesn't. It generates CO2 of course but that's an essential part of our atmosphere without which we'd be dead. As I've said before the recorded temperature increase between 1850 and 2000 is about 1.1C. You choose to believe that this is caused by an increase in CO2 from about 280ppm to about 420ppm, but I'd suggest that another more likely cause is that the world's population has increased (in that time) from about 1 billion to nearly 8 billion - and 80% of the world's land surface has been repurposed for infrastructure, crops etc. (That's the figure the David Attenborough gave on Planet Earth III). There's no empirical evidence whatsoever that raising CO2 this amount causes warming, but there is plenty of empirical evidence that chopping trees down for crops and building houses all over the place MOST certainly does. Been there done that. Night time rates are here for the duration. For the duration of the pillocks who fell in with the doom goblin.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 1, 2024 20:09:28 GMT
It's the official mileage figure, zany, taken on the WLTP test but it's known to be a gross exaggeration of the actual figure. The actual figure for that car running on diesel is less than 40 mpg. You can run the car entirely on electricity (if you charge up before each trip and always do trips less than 30 miles - and you get a special deal for electric cars of 7.5p/kWh) but that's not using the car the way most people do - AND you'll find that your deal on electricity will not last long because it's basically a subsidised price which other people are being charged for. As for a gas boiler "buggering up the atmosphere" it doesn't. It generates CO2 of course but that's an essential part of our atmosphere without which we'd be dead. As I've said before the recorded temperature increase between 1850 and 2000 is about 1.1C. You choose to believe that this is caused by an increase in CO2 from about 280ppm to about 420ppm, but I'd suggest that another more likely cause is that the world's population has increased (in that time) from about 1 billion to nearly 8 billion - and 80% of the world's land surface has been repurposed for infrastructure, crops etc. (That's the figure the David Attenborough gave on Planet Earth III). There's no empirical evidence whatsoever that raising CO2 this amount causes warming, but there is plenty of empirical evidence that chopping trees down for crops and building houses all over the place MOST certainly does. Been there done that. Night time rates are here for the duration. Yup ZG ,they are here until they are not.
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Post by steppenwolf on Jan 2, 2024 7:55:48 GMT
Off-peak rates are to encourage electricity users to spread their usage more evenly. If BEVs ever become popular (which is unlikely I'll grant you) it may be that night time use of electricity (to charge batteries) becomes much greater - at which point there will be no discount. But I must admit that the idea of leaving a BEV charging in my garage while I'm sleeping is pretty insane.
But if you think that the 8-fold increase in human population has had no effect on the Earth's temperature YOU are insane. Every time you build a new town you create another UHI (urban heat island) which is several degrees warmer than the rural area was.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 2, 2024 8:50:47 GMT
Off-peak rates are to encourage electricity users to spread their usage more evenly. If BEVs ever become popular (which is unlikely I'll grant you) it may be that night time use of electricity (to charge batteries) becomes much greater - at which point there will be no discount. But I must admit that the idea of leaving a BEV charging in my garage while I'm sleeping is pretty insane. The bit you're missing is that night time use is half that of day time. There is currently 50gw per hour unused at night. So there is a great deal to spare. That's because the huge user of electricity which is commercial and industrial shuts down at night. Don't be stupid, of course the global population makes a big differences to Earths temperature. Its where they live on the planet that makes little difference. You claiming immigration is causing global warming is what I questioned. Build a new town in the UK, Abandon a town in Somalia. I suspect your problem is that you imagine they all live in mud hunts as hunter gatherers in fuzzywuzzy land.
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Post by sandypine on Jan 2, 2024 14:44:24 GMT
Off-peak rates are to encourage electricity users to spread their usage more evenly. If BEVs ever become popular (which is unlikely I'll grant you) it may be that night time use of electricity (to charge batteries) becomes much greater - at which point there will be no discount. But I must admit that the idea of leaving a BEV charging in my garage while I'm sleeping is pretty insane. The bit you're missing is that night time use is half that of day time. There is currently 50gw per hour unused at night. So there is a great deal to spare. That's because the huge user of electricity which is commercial and industrial shuts down at night. Don't be stupid, of course the global population makes a big differences to Earths temperature. Its where they live on the planet that makes little difference. You claiming immigration is causing global warming is what I questioned. Build a new town in the UK, Abandon a town in Somalia. I suspect your problem is that you imagine they all live in mud hunts as hunter gatherers in fuzzywuzzy land. However towns are not being abandoned in Somalia or elsewhere what is happening is we are taking the overspill and that overspill adds to our emissions to which we have to take action to achieve net zero. Not to mention all the other associated problems as regards health, social cohesion, loss of countryside etc.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 2, 2024 19:43:35 GMT
Interesting “ The older heat pumps might have struggled to heat some homes adequately unless the homeowner decided to install larger radiators, for example. The increased surface area of such radiators helps transfer heat into the room. But a new breed of heat pumps is emerging. Engineers have gradually improved the technology, meaning that heat pumps are now able to supply much higher temperatures, sometimes in excess of 70C. A major change has been the rise of new refrigerants, including R290, or propane. This is the fluid that circulates inside a heat pump. In an air source device, the refrigerant captures warmth from the outside air, even on cold days. By compressing the slightly warmed refrigerant, the heat pump is able to increase the temperature and then transfer that heat into a property. Will hotter heat pumps win over homeowners? www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67511954
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Post by zanygame on Jan 2, 2024 20:14:57 GMT
The bit you're missing is that night time use is half that of day time. There is currently 50gw per hour unused at night. So there is a great deal to spare. That's because the huge user of electricity which is commercial and industrial shuts down at night. Don't be stupid, of course the global population makes a big differences to Earths temperature. Its where they live on the planet that makes little difference. You claiming immigration is causing global warming is what I questioned. Build a new town in the UK, Abandon a town in Somalia. I suspect your problem is that you imagine they all live in mud hunts as hunter gatherers in fuzzywuzzy land. However towns are not being abandoned in Somalia or elsewhere what is happening is we are taking the overspill and that overspill adds to our emissions to which we have to take action to achieve net zero. Not to mention all the other associated problems as regards health, social cohesion, loss of countryside etc. They are producing immigrants from a large vat somewhere off the coast of Lowestoft.
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Post by steppenwolf on Jan 3, 2024 7:28:28 GMT
Off-peak rates are to encourage electricity users to spread their usage more evenly. If BEVs ever become popular (which is unlikely I'll grant you) it may be that night time use of electricity (to charge batteries) becomes much greater - at which point there will be no discount. But I must admit that the idea of leaving a BEV charging in my garage while I'm sleeping is pretty insane. The bit you're missing is that night time use is half that of day time. There is currently 50gw per hour unused at night. So there is a great deal to spare. That's because the huge user of electricity which is commercial and industrial shuts down at night. Don't be stupid, of course the global population makes a big differences to Earths temperature. Its where they live on the planet that makes little difference. You claiming immigration is causing global warming is what I questioned. Build a new town in the UK, Abandon a town in Somalia. I suspect your problem is that you imagine they all live in mud hunts as hunter gatherers in fuzzywuzzy land. 1. If sales of BEVs actually reach the levels that the govt want (it's currently 22% of a manufacturer's cars sold new have to be BEVs - or the manufacturer is fined £15,000 per car) that will very rapidly even out electricity demand. In fact we'll need a few more nuclear power stations to satisfy the off-peak demand. 2. I've never made any comment at all about immigration causing global warming. The trouble with you Zany is that, despite discussing this subject for years, you still don't even understand what the arguments about. You're in a permanent state of confusion.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 3, 2024 7:43:12 GMT
The bit you're missing is that night time use is half that of day time. There is currently 50gw per hour unused at night. So there is a great deal to spare. That's because the huge user of electricity which is commercial and industrial shuts down at night. Don't be stupid, of course the global population makes a big differences to Earths temperature. Its where they live on the planet that makes little difference. You claiming immigration is causing global warming is what I questioned. Build a new town in the UK, Abandon a town in Somalia. I suspect your problem is that you imagine they all live in mud hunts as hunter gatherers in fuzzywuzzy land. 1. If sales of BEVs actually reach the levels that the govt want (it's currently 22% of a manufacturer's cars sold new have to be BEVs - or the manufacturer is fined £15,000 per car) that will very rapidly even out electricity demand. In fact we'll need a few more nuclear power stations to satisfy the off-peak demand. 2. I've never made any comment at all about immigration causing global warming. The trouble with you Zany is that, despite discussing this subject for years, you still don't even understand what the arguments about. You're in a permanent state of confusion. 1, You assume electricity production will not grow with this change. And that technology wont keep reducing the power used by other items. 2, The statement was 'every new city we build.' Why would we be building new cities? And consider this, when you interject into a conversation on a forum you are likely to get answers to questions you didn't specifically ask. The person I answered claimed I had said increased global population had no effect on global warming, which is clearly hogwash. So if I'm a state of confusion its because half the people on this forum just make shit up, with no apparent moral conscience.
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Post by sheepy on Jan 3, 2024 8:06:03 GMT
1. If sales of BEVs actually reach the levels that the govt want (it's currently 22% of a manufacturer's cars sold new have to be BEVs - or the manufacturer is fined £15,000 per car) that will very rapidly even out electricity demand. In fact we'll need a few more nuclear power stations to satisfy the off-peak demand. 2. I've never made any comment at all about immigration causing global warming. The trouble with you Zany is that, despite discussing this subject for years, you still don't even understand what the arguments about. You're in a permanent state of confusion. 1, You assume electricity production will not grow with this change. And that technology wont keep reducing the power used by other items. 2, The statement was 'every new city we build.' Why would we be building new cities? And consider this, when you interject into a conversation on a forum you are likely to get answers to questions you didn't specifically ask. The person I answered claimed I had said increased global population had no effect on global warming, which is clearly hogwash. So if I'm a state of confusion its because half the people on this forum just make shit up, with no apparent moral conscience. I listen to what the new youth are saying, this is our world now and our future depends on us, I am not so sure it does.
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