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Post by zanygame on Dec 31, 2023 19:26:27 GMT
Encouraged. But those of us who recognise global warming as a life changing issue are pleased. Thankfully that's the vast majority of scientists and educated people, who have finally been able to persuade the worlds governments of the critical situation we face. Those who recognise this are pleased and grateful that finally we are to do one thing for tomorrow instead of just greedy today. Forced. Increase the prices of gas boilers and gas enough to make it worthwhile . Gas boilers are far more responsive and comfortable than any heat pump . Oh and you are right , emotional,blackmail helps too. Gas rather than boilers. Gas prices will reflect the cost of the damage it causes. Says a guy who has never experienced them. I'd never go back. I don't even think about my heating anymore, my home is 21 degrees day. 18 degrees night. Never varies. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 31, 2023 20:15:20 GMT
Forced. Increase the prices of gas boilers and gas enough to make it worthwhile . Gas boilers are far more responsive and comfortable than any heat pump . Oh and you are right , emotional,blackmail helps too. Gas rather than boilers. Gas prices will reflect the cost of the damage it causes. Says a guy who has never experienced them. I'd never go back. I don't even think about my heating anymore, my home is 21 degrees day. 18 degrees night. Never varies. You may have said somewhere and I may have missed it but what was the cost of installation and what are your current bills. I much prefer my woodburner and although I had to do a bit extra work and cost in terms of collection, storing and cutting the wood my annual electric cost was about £500 last year, the cost to install the woodburner 20 years ago about £4000 and ongoing saw and electric saw costs and ancillary costs about £80 annually. I have no gas at all. Because the new regs forbid tradesman repair of my back boiler my electric costs will increase to about £800 annually and I have to be more organised with hot water. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 31, 2023 20:32:09 GMT
Forced. Increase the prices of gas boilers and gas enough to make it worthwhile . Gas boilers are far more responsive and comfortable than any heat pump . Oh and you are right , emotional,blackmail helps too. Gas rather than boilers. Gas prices will reflect the cost of the damage it causes. Says a guy who has never experienced them. I'd never go back. I don't even think about my heating anymore, my home is 21 degrees day. 18 degrees night. Never varies. I know as much about heat pumps as you do about EVs but you still try to sell the joys of EVs to the unwary . My gas boiler is responsive , heats my house up quickly and I get instant hot water . I know the problems with heat pumps and I dint have any of them . |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 31, 2023 21:42:16 GMT
Gas rather than boilers. Gas prices will reflect the cost of the damage it causes. Says a guy who has never experienced them. I'd never go back. I don't even think about my heating anymore, my home is 21 degrees day. 18 degrees night. Never varies. I know as much about heat pumps as you do about EVs but you still try to sell the joys of EVs to the unwary . My gas boiler is responsive , heats my house up quickly and I get instant hot water . I know the problems with heat pumps and I dint have any of them . You know as much about heat pumps as you do about EV's but your fake annoyance tells me you know nothing of heat pumps. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 31, 2023 21:48:01 GMT
I know as much about heat pumps as you do about EVs but you still try to sell the joys of EVs to the unwary . My gas boiler is responsive , heats my house up quickly and I get instant hot water . I know the problems with heat pumps and I dint have any of them . You know as much about heat pumps as you do about EV's but your fake annoyance tells me you know nothing of heat pumps. I know enough to know they are not as wonderful as you pretend . A gas boiler has all the advantages and none of the disadvantages . Give it a decade or so and they might be viable . Meanwhile gas supply pipes will be good for hydrogen. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 31, 2023 21:51:13 GMT
Gas rather than boilers. Gas prices will reflect the cost of the damage it causes. Says a guy who has never experienced them. I'd never go back. I don't even think about my heating anymore, my home is 21 degrees day. 18 degrees night. Never varies. You may have said somewhere and I may have missed it but what was the cost of installation and what are your current bills. I much prefer my woodburner and although I had to do a bit extra work and cost in terms of collection, storing and cutting the wood my annual electric cost was about £500 last year, the cost to install the woodburner 20 years ago about £4000 and ongoing saw and electric saw costs and ancillary costs about £80 annually. I have no gas at all. Because the new regs forbid tradesman repair of my back boiler my electric costs will increase to about £800 annually and I have to be more organised with hot water. Yes I did. I'll look them up again and let you know (I would estimate them, but the trolls are always waiting to jump on any errors. I expect your wood burner is very cheap to run and a lovely site. But a lot of work and not practical on a national basis. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 31, 2023 21:56:28 GMT
You know as much about heat pumps as you do about EV's but your fake annoyance tells me you know nothing of heat pumps. I know enough to know they are not as wonderful as you pretend . You know sod all about me, you just make it up. I know sod all about you apart from what crap you put on here. Apart from the buggering of the atmosphere. I have them now. Give it a decade or so and you might catch up. Hydrogen is too expensive to produce. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 31, 2023 22:12:49 GMT
I know enough to know they are not as wonderful as you pretend . You know sod all about me, you just make it up. I know sod all about you apart from what crap you put on here. Apart from the buggering of the atmosphere. I have them now. Give it a decade or so and you might catch up. Hydrogen is too expensive to produce. I know that you peddle the delights of EVs and passed on one . I know that you pretend your heat pump is the best thing since sliced bread . Ive spoken to gas engineers , electricians , studied heat pumps on the university google and YouTube , spoke to sensible heat pump owners , was going to buy a new build with a heat pump …and I pretty much know enough about heat pumps to make a reasonable judgement. I tend to doubt one bloke who’s fallen in love with his heat pump like a 10 year old girl and her Barbie doll. I also remember when I owned a 200SX . A car that never does more than about 20/25 mpg….but there was always a few owners thst insisted THEIR one did 35/40mpg…you always get one. A gas boiler didn’t bugger up the atmosphere . It’s a lie from the cult of the doom goblin . With enough research and investment Hydrogen will be viable . Ask Cadent . You don’t want to believe it because of the massive emotional investment you have invested in your hobby horse . |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 31, 2023 22:30:45 GMT
You know sod all about me, you just make it up. I know sod all about you apart from what crap you put on here. Apart from the buggering of the atmosphere. I have them now. Give it a decade or so and you might catch up. Hydrogen is too expensive to produce. I know that you peddle the delights of EVs and passed on one . I know that you pretend your heat pump is the best thing since sliced bread . Ive spoken to gas engineers , electricians , studied heat pumps on the university google and YouTube , spoke to sensible heat pump owners , was going to buy a new build with a heat pump …and I pretty much know enough about heat pumps to make a reasonable judgement. I tend to doubt one bloke who’s fallen in love with his heat pump like a 10 year old girl and her Barbie doll. I also remember when I owned a 200SX . A car that never does more than about 20/25 mpg….but there was always a few owners thst insisted THEIR one did 35/40mpg…you always get one. A gas boiler didn’t bugger up the atmosphere . It’s a lie from the cult of the doom goblin . With enough research and investment Hydrogen will be viable . Ask Cadent . You don’t want to believe it because of the massive emotional investment you have invested in your hobby horse . The majaority of JCB's now run on Hydrogen. Zany has fell into the hands of the doom goblin and is now trying to justify the expence of something that doesn't work.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 31, 2023 22:34:31 GMT
They radiate heat when they are being charged - this system seems to store extreme heat in the water boiler (which could be outside) and then distribute it to the radiators when needed. It seems (from the reports) that this is the closest we have seen to being able to use existing central heating which is what most people want. Well the heat can't be that extreme as water vaporises at 100c. If they use extreme heat maybe sodium (salt) would be better. But I think you are guessing as I can find no description of how they work. Oh, and they seem to be very expensive to, the military paid £5,000 for each test one installed. Are they not pressurised? - The boiler uses a pressurised water tank as a thermal battery, using off-peak and cheap electricity to create a “heat reservoir” that then powers radiators when needed.You seem keen to rubbish this technology and promote Heat Pumps - do you have some investment in a Heat Pump installation company? |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 31, 2023 22:45:55 GMT
I have those as A/C units - they work OK but the noise gets pretty wearing and they suffer from exactly the same issue as any blown air heating, there is no residual heat when they are turned off. Don't know why yours are noisy, mine are silent, literally silent. They have no residual heat because they are a boiler and radiators. They're much better, rather than wasting energy making water very hot and then waiting for it to cool down. Instead they use just enough energy to make air at 22c and supply that constant temperature. No more fiddling around with rad stats trying to get each room the right temperature, turning the room stat in the one room up and down trying to get the kitchen warm without cooking those in the lounge. There is nothing with a fan that is silent. I have had properties with every type of A/C and the only one that was silent was the one with forced air ducted A/C in an apartment on the 13th floor of a tower block with the A/C units on the roof above the 32nd floor. Through the wall units are the most noisy and are no different to fan heaters. I fully accept that some people may think they are an acceptable compromise but personally I would consider them a step backwards. I have progressed from open coal fires, through electric plug-in fires to radiator central heating and finally to underfloor heating. Each one I consider better than the last and have no wish to go backwards. If we allowed the market to operate you could have your fan heat pumps which you want and I could keep my underfloor heating and boiler - then everyone would be happy. Unfortunately we are going to all be forced down the heat pump road which are unsuitable for much of the population. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 31, 2023 22:52:59 GMT
My neighbour fitted a heat pump to heat an out building. It wasn’t silent .
He used a heat pump to heat a swimming pool. It wasn’t silent .
My son in law has fitted a heat pump . It isn’t silent.
There is an issue regarding air heat pump noise . To deny it is simply dishonest.
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Post by zanygame on Dec 31, 2023 23:01:12 GMT
You know sod all about me, you just make it up. I know sod all about you apart from what crap you put on here. Apart from the buggering of the atmosphere. I have them now. Give it a decade or so and you might catch up. Hydrogen is too expensive to produce. I know that you peddle the delights of EVs and passed on one . I know that you pretend your heat pump is the best thing since sliced bread . Ive spoken to gas engineers , electricians , studied heat pumps on the university google and YouTube , spoke to sensible heat pump owners , was going to buy a new build with a heat pump …and I pretty much know enough about heat pumps to make a reasonable judgement. I tend to doubt one bloke who’s fallen in love with his heat pump like a 10 year old girl and her Barbie doll. I also remember when I owned a 200SX . A car that never does more than about 20/25 mpg….but there was always a few owners thst insisted THEIR one did 35/40mpg…you always get one. A gas boiler didn’t bugger up the atmosphere . It’s a lie from the cult of the doom goblin . With enough research and investment Hydrogen will be viable . Ask Cadent . You don’t want to believe it because of the massive emotional investment you have invested in your hobby horse . I have heat pumps and speak from personal experience. I'm honest enough to point out the faults of the radiator type. You rely on clickbait and imagination and know little about how they work or their capabilities. I don't care if you believe me, I would be more than happy if you ignored me as you bring nothing new to the conversation beyond your bile. The MPG on my Hybrid was shared with all via a photograph of my dashboard so know need for me to exaggerate. My figures are also borne out by various car magazine reviews. You are a sad soul indeed. We disagree on Hydrogen, but time will tell. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 31, 2023 23:03:02 GMT
My neighbour fitted a heat pump to heat an out building. It wasn’t silent . He used a heat pump to heat a swimming pool. It wasn’t silent . My son in law has fitted a heat pump . It isn’t silent. There is an issue regarding air heat pump noise . To deny it is simply dishonest. Do you mean the outside unit? They make about the same noise as a desk fan. The indoor units are silent. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 31, 2023 23:25:05 GMT
I know that you peddle the delights of EVs and passed on one . I know that you pretend your heat pump is the best thing since sliced bread . Ive spoken to gas engineers , electricians , studied heat pumps on the university google and YouTube , spoke to sensible heat pump owners , was going to buy a new build with a heat pump …and I pretty much know enough about heat pumps to make a reasonable judgement. I tend to doubt one bloke who’s fallen in love with his heat pump like a 10 year old girl and her Barbie doll. I also remember when I owned a 200SX . A car that never does more than about 20/25 mpg….but there was always a few owners thst insisted THEIR one did 35/40mpg…you always get one. A gas boiler didn’t bugger up the atmosphere . It’s a lie from the cult of the doom goblin . With enough research and investment Hydrogen will be viable . Ask Cadent . You don’t want to believe it because of the massive emotional investment you have invested in your hobby horse . I have heat pumps and speak from personal experience. I'm honest enough to point out the faults of the radiator type. You rely on clickbait and imagination and know little about how they work or their capabilities. I don't care if you believe me, I would be more than happy if you ignored me as you bring nothing new to the conversation beyond your bile. The MPG on my Hybrid was shared with all via a photograph of my dashboard so know need for me to exaggerate. My figures are also borne out by various car magazine reviews. You are a sad soul indeed. We disagree on Hydrogen, but time will tell. Your experience is not shared by everyone. Bully for you . The ‘ radiator type’ is being foisted on unsuspecting home buyers . I posted “People will have to forced into buying heat pumps . Certainly for the next decade or two.” You couldn’t resist replying to it and cry when my reply doesn’t suit you . You post MPG figures for a hybrid and expect to be taken seriously. What was that about a sad soul? Al, gas supply pipes are being refurbished for hydrogen. Maybe if you try really hard you might conclude that hydrogen might be a part of future heating plans ….no? Ok 😁 You can’t resist replying to my posts then whine when I rely to yours . |
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