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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 26, 2023 10:02:22 GMT
The only sure way Labour will win the next election is by getting rid of most of the Tory party, they spend most of the time trying to oust out Tory MPs, yet when it comes to one of their own the usual double standard hypocrisy kicks in, Abbott should have been kicked out years ago for things she has said and done, not to mention her son who was racial abusing coppers while being arrested for psychotic behaviour.
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 26, 2023 10:15:29 GMT
In his defense if Abbott was your mother I suppose you would have psychotic moments.
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Post by see2 on Dec 26, 2023 10:29:39 GMT
Fucking hell, Shrieks - the irony! 
I'd agree that the "Full confidence" of Rishi Starmer means bugger all.
But there again, neither would the "Full confidence" of Keir Sunak.
Since they're both utterly weak and clueless.
We don't actually disagree that much on this in spite of our very different politics. I don't rate Starmer or Sunak and will not be voting for a party led by either. Sounds like you are the same. Problem with both is that they are creatures of the establishment, which I think you would probably agree with too, though you might differ in what exactly constitutes the establishment. Where you and I probably differ markedly is that you would like to see a cosy establishment effectively challenged from the right, whereas I would like to see it challenged from the left. But neither of us is at all well served by the establishment stitch up that is FPTP. You and others who think like you would get a voice and representation under a truly fair and democratic voting system. As would I and others who think like me. Why do you think the establishmentarians fear electoral reform so much? It is because they fear people like you and me and those who think like us having a real voice. And real power. They are afraid of the potential in us and those who think like us. If and when we get meaningful democracy, you and I will likely be mortal political enemies. But until then we are on the same side I suspect in wanting a system that gives us a voice and representation. While you are waiting for your different battlefield, where different political MPs will unite in order to keep Lefties and Righties in their place i.e. pushed out into no mans land, the sensible option would be to use the present system for the 'benefit of the many, not the few' (a comment introduced by New Labour) A system that is within reach. It makes a mockery of those who refuse to vote for it out of spite. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 26, 2023 10:32:09 GMT
In his defense if Abbott was your mother I suppose you would have psychotic moments. Its the lefts usual indignant hypocrisy mate. If it had of been a Labour MP who made that comment they would be defending their free speech. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 26, 2023 10:32:54 GMT
The only sure way Labour will win the next election is by getting rid of most of the Tory party, they spend most of the time trying to oust out Tory MPs, yet when it comes to one of their own the usual double standard hypocrisy kicks in, Abbott should have been kicked out years ago for things she has said and done, not to mention her son who was racial abusing coppers while being arrested for psychotic behaviour. The 'get them out at all cost' reached its zenith under the Tories when NL were in office. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 26, 2023 10:35:47 GMT
In his defense if Abbott was your mother I suppose you would have psychotic moments. Its the lefts usual indignant hypocrisy mate. If it had of been a Labour MP who made that comment they would be defending their free speech. As a Righty, you are pretty good at twisting reality into nonsense. It seems to be your purpose in life. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 26, 2023 10:38:55 GMT
The only sure way Labour will win the next election is by getting rid of most of the Tory party, they spend most of the time trying to oust out Tory MPs, yet when it comes to one of their own the usual double standard hypocrisy kicks in, Abbott should have been kicked out years ago for things she has said and done, not to mention her son who was racial abusing coppers while being arrested for psychotic behaviour. The 'get them out at all cost' reached its zenith under the Tories when NL were in office. You mean between their ridiculously petty selves they have yet again created a cluster feck. While calling it representative democracy. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 26, 2023 10:45:41 GMT
On the Brightside we get to see who Mr Ben is dressing up as today.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 23:29:16 GMT
However much you insist upon talking out of your arse, it remains simply farting. The Tories are not in charge of Plymouth City Council right now, and if you think otherwise you are a gullible twat believing nonsense. I live whithin 25 miles of the dump FFS. I leave the talking shit to you.....Every labour council they have had in Plymouth has fucked the towns people over. Yet again you never read the links but try and imply you know best. Again the Tories are not in charge of Plymouth and the Labour leader - Tudor Evans - is still in charge of the Labour run council down here. So if you are going to talk shit, please do it somewhere else unless you take pride in making a twat out of yourself |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 23:31:26 GMT
However much you insist upon talking out of your arse, it remains simply farting. The Tories are not in charge of Plymouth City Council right now, and if you think otherwise you are a gullible twat believing nonsense. A good friend lived in Plymouth about 3 decades ago and always says of the place, it was such a dump. I think to be honest it is just the people who live there. Politicians have less effect than people give them credit for. They stand up with a microphone and talk some crap, but the place just carries on as usual. One theory posited is it has something to do with sailors. They are known to be the biggest louts. not the pleasure boats of course, but the navy and all of that. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 23:35:53 GMT
You are talking bollocks as usual. There isn't a Tory in charge of Plymouth and the Labour leader of the council is not in jail. If you are going to come here spouting blatant lies you have invented, you might as well just moon at usfor all the good you are doing. Can anyone else see the incosistency here? If members want to be trolls at least they should remain consistent....
If you insist upon making a twat out of yourself, let me spell it out so even a simpleton can understand. Plymouth was a Tory led council until May when they got slaughtered. It has been Labour run since then. In trying to suggest something other than that you are either being a thick twat or wilfully dishonest. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 23:47:18 GMT
We don't actually disagree that much on this in spite of our very different politics. I don't rate Starmer or Sunak and will not be voting for a party led by either. Sounds like you are the same. Problem with both is that they are creatures of the establishment, which I think you would probably agree with too, though you might differ in what exactly constitutes the establishment. Where you and I probably differ markedly is that you would like to see a cosy establishment effectively challenged from the right, whereas I would like to see it challenged from the left. But neither of us is at all well served by the establishment stitch up that is FPTP. You and others who think like you would get a voice and representation under a truly fair and democratic voting system. As would I and others who think like me. Why do you think the establishmentarians fear electoral reform so much? It is because they fear people like you and me and those who think like us having a real voice. And real power. They are afraid of the potential in us and those who think like us. If and when we get meaningful democracy, you and I will likely be mortal political enemies. But until then we are on the same side I suspect in wanting a system that gives us a voice and representation. While you are waiting for your different battlefield, where different political MPs will unite in order to keep Lefties and Righties in their place i.e. pushed out into no mans land, the sensible option would be to use the present system for the 'benefit of the many, not the few' (a comment introduced by New Labour) A system that is within reach. It makes a mockery of those who refuse to vote for it out of spite. As a call to arms to get me to vote for your lot, that is pitiful. You actually voted Conservative in 2019. So what the holy fuck makes you think i am ever going to vote for anyone on your say so? Because the big difference between you and I - and one which speaks volumes - is that I have never voted Conservative and never will. That you once did shows what a treacherous piece of crap you are if you have any claim to be left of anything. Any cause you support is yet another good reason for me not to. Your words are utterly wasted on me if you want me to vote Labour. The best chance you have is by yourself shutting the fuck up. Every word you utter convinces me even more forcefully that I will never vote the way you want me to. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 26, 2023 23:52:59 GMT
Can anyone else see the incosistency here? If members want to be trolls at least they should remain consistent....
If you insist upon making a twat out of yourself, let me spell it out so even a simpleton can understand. Plymouth was a Tory led council until May when they got slaughtered. It has been Labour run since then. In trying to suggest something other than that you are either being a thick twat or wilfully dishonest. Its you who has made a twat of yourself as per usual. Your statement that you made that I linked too were made in June 2023. And you accuse others of lying LOL LOL LOL....
EDIT you thought you would be smart and delete your statement from June but as per usual you were to late as many have PM'd me telling me what a thick twat you are as they had already read it...
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 27, 2023 8:42:23 GMT
I'm totally unsure how the despicable utterings of James Cleverley, who should resign if he has any morals, is anything to do with Labour, as per your title? probably the fuss they’re making …. As in, much ado about nothing. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 27, 2023 9:56:30 GMT
The 'get them out at all cost' reached its zenith under the Tories when NL were in office. You mean between their ridiculously petty selves they have yet again created a cluster feck. While calling it representative democracy. Politicians appear to have the ability to screw up any system. IMO it is the quality of the Members of Parliament that counts. |
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