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Post by Pacifico on Dec 17, 2023 22:53:02 GMT
LOL - listen to yourself. There is absolutely no country prepared to put it's troops in harms way to impose a solution that nobody wants. A few protesters on the streets is not going to change that reality. No listen to yourself, you sound a lot more worried than I am, the media is already changing its stance, as the horrors arrive out of Gaza. Israeli snipers shooting Christians, if they dare leave a church, I cannot see that going down well. going down well with who? - who cares enough to agree that getting their own troops killed to enforce a peace deal between 2 sides who dont want peace is a good idea? FFS - get real.
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Post by sheepy on Dec 17, 2023 22:56:56 GMT
No listen to yourself, you sound a lot more worried than I am, the media is already changing its stance, as the horrors arrive out of Gaza. Israeli snipers shooting Christians, if they dare leave a church, I cannot see that going down well. going down well with who? - who cares enough to agree that getting their own troops killed to enforce a peace deal between 2 sides who dont want peace is a good idea? FFS - get real. You seem to be struggling, where is your back up now? you are becoming a lone wolf.
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Post by morayloon on Dec 18, 2023 0:41:50 GMT
Of course they will . They are too stupid to realise that it’s in our interests for Israel to prevail. And these clueless left wing morons were demonstrating in support of Hamas. No they weren't. They were demonstrating in support of Palestine and against Israeli aggression. Two months in and your still seeing Hamas & Palestinians as synonyms. Open your eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2023 5:01:17 GMT
"Nakba" or "catastrophe" is a reference to the forced removal of an estimated 750,000 Palestinians from their homes when Israel was founded in 1948. Palestinians see it as a core element of their identity. During the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, some Jewish militias massacred Palestinian civilians, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported." Sky News. millions were displaced at the end of WW2 - what is special about the Palestinians? The Nazis culprits WW2. The UK culprits in 1948.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2023 5:03:15 GMT
"Nakba" or "catastrophe" is a reference to the forced removal of an estimated 750,000 Palestinians from their homes when Israel was founded in 1948. Palestinians see it as a core element of their identity. During the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, some Jewish militias massacred Palestinian civilians, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported." Sky News. Why do you ignore the fact that the Arab armies advised/demanded that people leave and that they could return afyer Israel was destroyed and that there is evidence that some in Israel tried to keep the Arabs from moving. It is a complex picture to imply it was Israel that forced everyone out is just plain wrong and keeps the pot boiling. I repeat it is quite likely some Israeli groups behaved badly but that is not what you are saying which is historically inaccurate. It is a complicated picture but do you deny that 750,000 Palestinians were forcibly evicted from their homes. Wouldn't you want to return to your home if someone stole it.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 18, 2023 7:54:22 GMT
millions were displaced at the end of WW2 - what is special about the Palestinians? The Nazis culprits WW2. The UK culprits in 1948. nowt to do with us - stop trying to get us involved in foreign conflicts.
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Post by sheepy on Dec 18, 2023 8:29:27 GMT
The Nazis culprits WW2. The UK culprits in 1948. nowt to do with us - stop trying to get us involved in foreign conflicts. Me thinks it is, as we have a huge backlash most likely because of our previous backing of Israeli policy via the yanks in the Middle East and as we don't want to see people taking things into their own hands as in Ireland we had better stop it at source, whereas you seem to think we can sit back and do nothing until the fires are raging.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2023 8:39:54 GMT
The Nazis culprits WW2. The UK culprits in 1948. nowt to do with us - stop trying to get us involved in foreign conflicts. The Nazis were, I agree, nothing to do with us but Palestine has everything to do with us.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 18, 2023 8:48:17 GMT
nowt to do with us - stop trying to get us involved in foreign conflicts. Me thinks it is, as we have a huge backlash most likely because of our previous backing of Israeli policy via the yanks in the Middle East and as we don't want to see people taking things into their own hands as in Ireland we had better stop it at source, whereas you seem to think we can sit back and do nothing until the fires are raging. We have got involved in foreign adventures before - Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan etc. Why would getting involved in another one work out any better?.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 18, 2023 8:49:24 GMT
nowt to do with us - stop trying to get us involved in foreign conflicts. The Nazis were, I agree, nothing to do with us but Palestine has everything to do with us. Nope - an intractable conflict in a far off foreign land which is nothing to do with us. Stop with your military adventurism.
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Post by sheepy on Dec 18, 2023 8:52:12 GMT
Me thinks it is, as we have a huge backlash most likely because of our previous backing of Israeli policy via the yanks in the Middle East and as we don't want to see people taking things into their own hands as in Ireland we had better stop it at source, whereas you seem to think we can sit back and do nothing until the fires are raging. We have got involved in foreign adventures before - Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan etc. Why would getting involved in another one work out any better?. You are somehow trying to convince that doing nothing that might upset the Israelis is the better option, while also trying to convince us we would need to put boots on the ground, as they said themselves, we are now in a global world, there are plenty of other options.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 18, 2023 9:31:13 GMT
And these clueless left wing morons were demonstrating in support of Hamas. No they weren't. They were demonstrating in support of Palestine and against Israeli aggression. Two months in and your still seeing Hamas & Palestinians as synonyms. Open your eyes. Rubbish. In the past few weeks I've seen, we have all seen people both Muslims and clueless lefties waving Hamas/Isis flags while singing that river to the sea nonsense and calling for intifada, naturally the police did nothing. That is, until someone showed an Israeli flag in Trafalgar square, the police were on him like a rash. As I mentioned elswhere, two young women who were vociferously demonstrating in support of Hamas were briefly interviewed in the street. They were asked if they were aware that Hamas had in-fact attacked Israel? They looked at each other and said: Did they! They displayed all the traits of typically clueless lefties.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 18, 2023 9:39:59 GMT
What!
FFS, you said: 'Israel should be proscribed as a terrorist state'. To which I very sensibly replied: 'Pillock'. To which I answered "Is it just because a 'lefty' is saying it or because it is not really happening?" In other words do you not believe Israel are committing terrorist acts? 20,000+ dead over half women and children. 10s of thousands maimed for life. Bombing schools, hospitals and refugee camps. Hundreds of aid workers and journalists killed. Degrading treatment of 'prisoners' reminiscent of the Nazis. They even killed three of their own who were shirtless and carrying a white flag. Increased illegal settlements in the West Bank. Language of genocide by Israeli politicians. The list goes on........ If Hamas were doing just one of these things the western world would be calling it out but it is deemed anti-Semitic to say it out loud. You appear to be blissfully unaware that the reason we are having this little tete-a-tete is because on Oct 7th Hamas terrorists attacked Israel. But please, continue to proudly show off your left wing ignorance.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 18, 2023 12:14:15 GMT
We have got involved in foreign adventures before - Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan etc. Why would getting involved in another one work out any better?. You are somehow trying to convince that doing nothing that might upset the Israelis is the better option, while also trying to convince us we would need to put boots on the ground, as they said themselves, we are now in a global world, there are plenty of other options. Why are you so desperate to get us involved in someone elses squabble?. The fracas in the Middle East has nothing to do with us and the people there don't want our involvement. For once can we just keep our noses out of someone elses business.
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Post by dappy on Dec 18, 2023 12:18:58 GMT
It is absolutely true that the October 7th attacks happened. They were another example of the depravity of human beings and should be condemned.
It is also true that the Israeli Government has been treating Palestinians appallingly for many years and that sowed the seeds of hatred that lead to the Oct7 attacks.
The vast majority of the people on the various Palestinian marches have been demonstrating i support of the Palestinian people not of Hamas. You are letting yourself down by conflating the two, Red.
As for your two young women comment, I am afraid this is a tactic used by the tabloids in respect of marches the aims of which they disagree with. They send out camera crews, interview a number of marchers and only publish the stupidest ones they can find as a way of discrediting all the marchers. If you are conned by such stories, you are even stupider than the stupidest protestor.
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