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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 15, 2023 10:45:19 GMT
I see you are an enthusiastic convert to cancel culture when it suits. Not at all, this has nothing to do with cancel culture. I signed the petition because left wing Lineker broke BBC social media rules, a fact that has been conceded by BBC chairman designate Samir Shah. What's your problem? |
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Post by wapentake on Dec 15, 2023 10:55:55 GMT
Silently praying in the street within the area of an abortion clinic. Cite the legislation. Let's have a look at it to see if it requires only mens rea. I'm very, very sceptical. In fact, even without reading the legislation, I'm quite sure that 'praying' isn't an element of whatever crime is involved. I think he’s right I do remember somebody recently being pulled by police for doing that. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 15, 2023 10:59:01 GMT
Cite the legislation. Let's have a look at it to see if it requires only mens rea. I'm very, very sceptical. In fact, even without reading the legislation, I'm quite sure that 'praying' isn't an element of whatever crime is involved. I think he’s right I do remember somebody recently being pulled by police for doing that. He's right that a crime was committed. But it wasn't a thought crime. A thought crime is a crime that requires only mens rea. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 15, 2023 11:05:09 GMT
I said that there were no crimes that require only mens rea.
You have linked a report to where the police apologised for arresting a woman for nothing other than having a particular mens rea.
Doesn't that support my position?
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Post by wapentake on Dec 15, 2023 11:06:25 GMT
I think he’s right I do remember somebody recently being pulled by police for doing that. He's right that a crime was committed. But it wasn't a thought crime. A thought crime is a crime that requires only mens rea. Sounds like legal diarrhoea,I’m not religious so if someone shouts outside an abortion clinic “you’re a sinner” that’s a crime being stood there silent is not. www.lbc.co.uk/news/police-sorry-abortion-clinic-silent-prayer-arrest/ |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 15, 2023 11:07:39 GMT
He's right that a crime was committed. But it wasn't a thought crime. A thought crime is a crime that requires only mens rea. Sounds like legal diarrhoea,I’m not religious so if someone shouts outside an abortion clinic “you’re a sinner” that’s a crime being stood there silent is not. www.lbc.co.uk/news/police-sorry-abortion-clinic-silent-prayer-arrest/See above. The police apologised. They admitted an error. That supports what I said. Merely thinking something is not a crime. And yes, you'll find quite a lot of 'legal diarrhoea' in discussions about the law. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2023 11:12:14 GMT
I see you are an enthusiastic convert to cancel culture when it suits. Not at all, this has nothing to do with cancel culture. I signed the petition because left wing Lineker broke BBC social media rules, a fact that has been conceded by BBC chairman designate Samir Shah. What's your problem? You want to silence him because you find his views offensive, ie you wish to cancel him. I smell the stench of hypocrisy here. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 15, 2023 11:12:37 GMT
The issue is when someone else decides that they're not. Even in a private conversation with no unwilling participants.
That's when it becomes thought crime. And that never ends well.
I can see where you are coming from logically. I mean if two antisemites were having a private discussion between themselves where no one else could hear in which they were both stating that Hitler was right to try and kill all the Jews, although it is obviously the sort of obnoxious shit which most of us would find highly offensive, if none of us hear it we cannot logically be offended by it. And we cannot stop either of from thinking it anyway. We can just take solace in the fact that such hatred is relatively rare. But the examples given in the OP appear to have become public knowledge somehow, and were unacceptable attitudes for people in a serving police force to have. It is what such attitudes imply for the way they might interact with people in their jobs which makes it a problem. However, since they appear to have already retired, it is a bit pointless acting on it now, unless they deliberately took action to publicise such views, which does not seem to be the case. Would have been better just to let this one go and focus more on those still in positions where such opinions could be an issue. Make no mistake, these people were prosecuted purely because they were ex-police and it was political. And I totally agree that had they been serving officers, their behaviour would have been unacceptable.
But they were retired, long retired - in one case nearly twenty years retired.
Which begs another question: For how long should people be considered representative of an organisation that they no longer work for?
Should, for example, Gary Lineker be gagged for the next twenty years because he once worked for the BBC? Most people would say that was absurd.
So why does anyone think it's okay for long retired ex-cops to be censored in their private conversations?
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Post by wapentake on Dec 15, 2023 11:19:11 GMT
See above. The police apologised. They admitted an error. That supports what I said. Merely thinking something is not a crime. And yes, you'll find quite a lot of 'legal diarrhoea' in discussions about the law.Which I’m sure you’re expert in posting   |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 15, 2023 11:20:42 GMT
See above. The police apologised. They admitted an error. That supports what I said. Merely thinking something is not a crime. And yes, you'll find quite a lot of 'legal diarrhoea' in discussions about the law.Which I’m sure you’re expert in posting Yes. I'm something of an authority. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 15, 2023 11:21:45 GMT
Not at all, this has nothing to do with cancel culture. I signed the petition because left wing Lineker broke BBC social media rules, a fact that has been conceded by BBC chairman designate Samir Shah. What's your problem? You want to silence him because you find his views offensive, ie you wish to cancel him. I smell the stench of hypocrisy here. I say again: I signed the petition because Lineker broke BBC social media rules, a fact that has been conceded by BBC chairman designate Samir Shah. You have no argument. |
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Post by wapentake on Dec 15, 2023 11:28:28 GMT
You want to silence him because you find his views offensive, ie you wish to cancel him. I smell the stench of hypocrisy here. I say again: I signed the petition because Lineker broke BBC social media rules, a fact that has been conceded by BBC chairman designate Samir Shah. You have no argument. Oh come on Red fess up,if a bbc celebrity said”it’s not racist to be concerned about immigration “ (and it isn’t) and the bbc Warned them off you’d shout cancel culture  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 15, 2023 11:36:53 GMT
I say again: I signed the petition because Lineker broke BBC social media rules, a fact that has been conceded by BBC chairman designate Samir Shah. You have no argument. Oh come on Red fess up,if a bbc celebrity said”it’s not racist to be concerned about immigration “ (and it isn’t) and the bbc Warned them off you’d shout cancel culture You're talking if's & but's, whataboutery. No matter how much lefties obfuscate, the fact remains: Lineker broke BBC social media rules, a fact that has been conceded by BBC chairman designate Samir Shah. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 15, 2023 11:53:44 GMT
Free speech for me but not for thee. Embrace that cancel culture. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 15, 2023 12:01:38 GMT
It's hilarious seeing all these lefties now getting so concerned about cancel culture - when it was them doing the cancelling there was no issue at all...  |
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