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Post by zanygame on Dec 12, 2023 22:06:15 GMT
I'm sure Dan has figures for you. Actually not.
Figures for birthrates for mothers not born in the UK are fairly available (the NHS records them), but of course that does not includes births to mothers of foreign extraction who were themselves born in the UK, which nobody seems to have much interest in recording.
The authorities are curiously reluctant to provide such data, even under FoI requests.
I've been looking for it for quite a while now.
I'm sure you can calculate the numbers Dan. You probably already have. Non whites last year, non whites this year type sum. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 22:17:11 GMT
Ref the Rwanda vote earlier this evening. I think it's worth mentioning that not a single Tory MP voted against the government, yes there were 20 or so abstentions but no rebels. Every one of the 269 MP's who voted against the Rwanda plan came from Left wing opposition MP's. And incredibly some people on this forum actually want a Starmer led Labour government. Do you really think they cared about the actual legislation? I think it was just an opportunity to embarrass the government by almost defeating them, which they actually deserved. I don't think Rishi will outlast many more months. It's 4 years since Boris won the oven ready deal election. Get Brexit done. It was done. Now we have totally lost control of our borders, for which Boris and Rishi must take the blame. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 12, 2023 22:18:35 GMT
we have the greatest population density of any major country in Europe - I'd say we have already taken our share.. Invited, not taken. semantics - what matters is that they are here. Our excessive share is causing significant societal problems through lack of assimilation - for future peace we need a rest. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 12, 2023 22:23:37 GMT
semantics - what matters is that they are here. Our excessive share is causing significant societal problems through lack of assimilation - for future peace we need a rest. Naah. you got beat and now you're throwing golly out the pram. Night everyone. Sleep well, I got a good book to read. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 12, 2023 22:37:28 GMT
Ref the Rwanda vote earlier this evening. I think it's worth mentioning that not a single Tory MP voted against the government, yes there were 20 or so abstentions but no rebels. Every one of the 269 MP's who voted against the Rwanda plan came from Left wing opposition MP's. And incredibly some people on this forum actually want a Starmer led Labour government. Do you really think they cared about the actual legislation? I think it was just an opportunity to embarrass the government by almost defeating them, which they actually deserved. I don't think Rishi will outlast many more months. It's 4 years since Boris won the oven ready deal election. Get Brexit done. It was done. Now we have totally lost control of our borders, for which Boris and Rishi must take the blame. Do I think 'who' cared about the legislation? Clearly the government benches did, the opposition benches did not. I'm not sure what debate and vote you're referring to, this evenings vote on Rwanda was comfortably won because not one single Tory MP voted against the government. As for Sunak, I care not a jot whether he lasts another five minutes. I have never made any secret of the fact that I don't like him. The rest of your waffle is, well, waffle. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 22:37:34 GMT
Hopefully, when the Tories are in deep opposition in a year from now, the Rawanda Plan will be remembered as one of the fiasco's that ended 14 years of nothing but misery for the British people.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 12, 2023 22:39:20 GMT
semantics - what matters is that they are here. Our excessive share is causing significant societal problems through lack of assimilation - for future peace we need a rest. Naah. you got beat and now you're throwing golly out the pram. Night everyone. Sleep well, I got a good book to read. it's time to give it a rest. got beat by who? - we have had millions of migrants pitch up which the people didnt want or vote for. Its time to give it a rest. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 12, 2023 22:45:59 GMT
Our share of what? So we have to take yet more because we took the wrong people? Our share of genuine asylum seekers. Perhaps you could confirm, you wish not to take even those who would be killed by the warlords and dictators in their homeland. Just so's I have a measure to work to. Who are 'genuine' asylum seekers? Young men who pay criminals in France, then destroy all ID before landing on some Kent beach. I sense that may not be entirely what the architects of the refugee convention envisaged. And for the record, since 2007 England has been the most densely populated country in Europe, and for that we can thank President Blair. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 12, 2023 22:46:29 GMT
Hopefully, when the Tories are in deep opposition in a year from now, the Rawanda Plan will be remembered as one of the fiasco's that ended 14 years of nothing but misery for the British people. If we get a Labour government next year …you aint seen nothing yet …. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 12, 2023 23:04:18 GMT
Hopefully, when the Tories are in deep opposition in a year from now, the Rawanda Plan will be remembered as one of the fiasco's that ended 14 years of nothing but misery for the British people. You mean they have managed between themselves the Westminster party that is, to destroy once again any chance the people of this country getting any kind of democracy. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 12, 2023 23:07:54 GMT
Hopefully, when the Tories are in deep opposition in a year from now, the Rawanda Plan will be remembered as one of the fiasco's that ended 14 years of nothing but misery for the British people. If we get a Labour government next year …you aint seen nothing yet …. Unfortunately so. After the vote tonight we have had politicians from Labour, the LibDems and the SNP all wanting to massively increase the amount of asylum seekers attracted to the UK. If you think we are being swamped now...  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 12, 2023 23:15:30 GMT
Hopefully, when the Tories are in deep opposition in a year from now, the Rawanda Plan will be remembered as one of the fiasco's that ended 14 years of nothing but misery for the British people. When in your opinion will enough be enough? The UK population is currently c70 million and England is the most densely populated country in Europe. Communities are seeing massive change and if they question it people like you accuse them of racism. Social infrastructure cant cope, some areas have been ghettoised and some minorities go out of their way not to assimilate which of course is our fault. So when in your opinion will enough be enough? 80 million, 100 million? I suspect you will avoid answering this question. I am yet to meet a lefty who has answered it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 23:19:39 GMT
I watched, and listened to Yvette Cooper tonight, and she made very good sense
Its now estimated that our illustrious government is to pay Rwanda £400 MILLION, what a waste of tax payers money.
The shadow Home Secretary suggested that the staggering amount of money could be used to increase both the number of immigration officers and co-operation with France and Europe, and to increase the processing of asylum seekers, thereby speeding up the processing.
There is a backlog of asylum seekers awaiting processing, the answer has got to be speeding up the process, all makes perfectly good sense to me.
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Post by Orac on Dec 13, 2023 0:07:00 GMT
Our share of what? So we have to take yet more because we took the wrong people? Our share of genuine asylum seekers. Perhaps you could confirm, you wish not to take even those who would be killed by the warlords and dictators in their homeland. Just so's I have a measure to work to. You fixate on us and make us (in particular) infinitely liable for the world's inadequacies. It's a completely lopsided, hysterical and unworkable way of looking at reality. I consider the concept that we are liable to hand out our territory until the word is perfect to be basically genocidal (even if unknowingly so). |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 13, 2023 0:33:30 GMT
I watched, and listened to Yvette Cooper tonight, and she made very good sense... Hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa superb, Sidney I'm warming to you. |
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