Is Sunak losing the plot?

How are you measuring how much difference it has made?

All of them.

Do you not believe that CO2 is a greenhouse gas?

Hi Dappy … If you research deeper than sources that dominate the MSM … where Globalist agenda politics and economics is being played out … you will discover dissenters in the scientific community … equally qualified … but often silenced and bullied … who disagree with current Climate Change Ideology.
They are generally geologists who read climate change in the LONG TERM … as illustrated in Pacifico’s graph above … which comes from patterns of climate change over hundreds of thousands of years from rock samples and layers in drilling core samples - from seabeds and on land.

As you can see if you drop your NASA graph onto Pacifico’s graph … your graph is just a tiny snapshot of history covering the Industrial Revolution where Humans really stepped up their exploitation of the this Planet and significantly destroyed environments. … created Climate Change.

As you can see from the way the graphs fit neatly together … the trend is on the steep up at the end of Pacifico’s data … it is arguable if the cyclical Nature of Climate Change this Earth has gone through is down to solely Human damage or many other factors that can cause changes which are well beyond human control.

…Leftist agenda politics … which I gather you are peddling here ….will blame the West and whites in particular it seems … if you read the Guardian … we are likely the whipping boys to blame for our ingenuity and science civilisation we largely gave our World. The Media trend is for BLM bs to tar and feather and scape-goat us for most ills on Earth.
It points a finger at Countries and white Europeans … rather than targets the rogue Globalists roaming the Planet ripping off every Energy and mineral resource, fracking and breaking every environmental rule in the book while we are fighting divided over scientific stats, idiotic protestors sticking tongues to the M25 … their political stooges once again turn another COP Conference into an ineffective ‘FARCE’ and nothing is done … and they carry on regardless doing environmental damage.


Climate Issues that might not be just down to human fault include eg:

1) drastic localised flooding - could be due to natural tectonic plate/earthquake shifts … natural land heave and dip. Take a snapshot of land dip … ignore pictures of heave … and you can fake the news icecap melt is flooding the Planet. - Except when you look at ancient photos compared to modern ones … see my Liberty plinth shot on P.2 … either heave in that area has remarkably kept up with sea level rise … or sea level over all hasn’t risen significantly? … and the phenomenon is a Media myth. … like so many other false flag events these Globalists pull … surely you’re wise to the BS now?



2) drastic rises in temperature and shifts in warm thermals over polar regions inc the drastically changing weather patterns/creating ice melt/warming sea water/destroying corals etc

…. this can also be due to cyclical increased volcanic and tectonic plate activity the Media wants to ignore in order to shut down a coal fired power station … make idiots go fracking and nuclear. …far more damaging to life on this planet.

Do you get the drift ? … Globalists want to kill us .. rather than encourage birth control.

The measures Globalists resist .. and the measures they promote in the MSM … won’t save Humanity … they are designed to defund AND destroy us.

Everyone buying an electric car won’t save the Planet … don’t be daft … think about it …. 95% of electric cars today aren’t running on Green electricity … it is an elitist Media “con” for poor taxpayers to subsidise the rich to drive electric.

Stopping massive deforestation and reversing desertification by water redistribution and massive irrigation programmes is one key way to replace the CO2 we generate … and hopefully gradually, slowly shift global thermal weather systems that have shifted over thousands of years of human activity.

Even if we do all this … the imminent flipping of the Earth’s magnetic polarity(also cyclical) … which is also probably driving climate change around Polar Regions right now … may either help or undo any measures humans take to improve things.

Globalist industrialists creating desertification and tree loss need to take responsibility for further current climate change. …. and need to make reparation payments.
… not poor beleaguered tax-payers scraping to survive Globalist’s Sanctions commuting around the rat race wheel of the M25!

Wake up Dappy … the Globalist Agenda politics you are supporting … is a brain-washed charter … don’t believe all the whore-scientists that are paid a fortune to promote it. (Especially NASA.) …. Those idiots are still peddling the idea Earth’s water came from the Asteroid Belt. … and still haven’t nailed the conclusion volcanism created the huge reservoirs of water on the Moon and other planets and moons in our Solar System. They are thick as too short planks …

Herein lies the problem. I am not a scientist and therefore I am not saying any scientists are wrong what I am saying is that is what the science is saying accurately presented to the public as a true reflection of what is believed by the overwhelming majority of those scientist working in that field. The evidence that that is true is pretty slim on the ground and seems to be a case of repeating what the IPCC are saying and anyone who repeats the IPCC is used as evidence that the IPCC are right. This is a bit like pulling oneself up by one's own bootstraps. No one is saying that greenhouse gases are not forcing  temperature rises what they are saying is that it is unknown to what degree that forcing is occurring. What is also being said is that the narrative that virtually all climate scientists believe that man made emissions is the primary driver of  climate change is a political standpoint and is not necessarily a true scientific standpoint. No doubt many scientists hold that it is true, but certainly more that 3% hold that it is at best unknown and many see it as of little significance and not in any way a crisis or an emergency.
Once again attacks on those who disagree or who raise uncomfortable questions are hounded like those who question religious orthodoxy. Science is not a religion, it is a fact and observation based discipline that requires questions to be asked about any standpoint and satisfactory answers to be given to prove any hypothesis and, if satisfactory answers are no able to be presented then reconsideration of the hypothesis. The 97% value of all climate scientists is demonstrably false as finding even one scientist put down on the 97% side who is adamant he should have not been included on that side negates that finding. Showing three pretty well blows that assumption out of the water. Yet here we are some years after and the figure is still bandied about as a means to discredit those who question.
Unfortunately a man made climate crisis appears to be a useful tool for some to use to meet whatever agenda they have and I do not believe that all our political leaders believe implicitly that the crisis is all consuming and real. That means they have other considerations and that makes one wonder what they are.
I repeat once again to reinforce the point I am NOT saying that climate change nor man's part in it does not exist. I do question some of the 'facts' we are presented with that makes it an emergency and held to be so by all scientists except a few nutters who are believed by a few other nutters, the political disaffected and the selfish. That is how cults work and that makes it worrying

Herein lies the problem. I am not a scientist and therefore I am not saying any scientists are wrong what I am saying is that is what the science is saying accurately presented to the public as a true reflection of what is believed by the overwhelming majority of those scientist working in that field. The evidence that that is true is pretty slim on the ground and seems to be a case of repeating what the IPCC are saying and anyone who repeats the IPCC is used as evidence that the IPCC are right. This is a bit like pulling oneself up by one's own bootstraps. No one is saying that greenhouse gases are not forcing temperature rises what they are saying is that it is unknown to what degree that forcing is occurring. What is also being said is that the narrative that virtually all climate scientists believe that man made emissions is the primary driver of climate change is a political standpoint and is not necessarily a true scientific standpoint. No doubt many scientists hold that it is true, but certainly more that 3% hold that it is at best unknown and many see it as of little significance and not in any way a crisis or an emergency.

Once again attacks on those who disagree or who raise uncomfortable questions are hounded like those who question religious orthodoxy. Science is not a religion, it is a fact and observation based discipline that requires questions to be asked about any standpoint and satisfactory answers to be given to prove any hypothesis and, if satisfactory answers are no able to be presented then reconsideration of the hypothesis. The 97% value of all climate scientists is demonstrably false as finding even one scientist put down on the 97% side who is adamant he should have not been included on that side negates that finding. Showing three pretty well blows that assumption out of the water. Yet here we are some years after and the figure is still bandied about as a means to discredit those who question.

Unfortunately a man made climate crisis appears to be a useful tool for some to use to meet whatever agenda they have and I do not believe that all our political leaders believe implicitly that the crisis is all consuming and real. That means they have other considerations and that makes one wonder what they are.

I repeat once again to reinforce the point I am NOT saying that climate change nor man's part in it does not exist. I do question some of the 'facts' we are presented with that makes it an emergency and held to be so by all scientists except a few nutters who are believed by a few other nutters, the political disaffected and the selfish. That is how cults work and that makes it worrying

I am not a scientist either Sandy, especially not a scientist with expertise in climate.  That is why I have never said the overwhelming consensus of people who are climate scientists who tell us that climate change is real and that it is primarily man made are correct in their assessment.  I do recognise however that they are more likely to be right than random politicians and their ilk, almost all of them from the political right wing, who are seeking to assert that their contrary view (formed for political purposes) is equally valid.

Your assertion that the overwhelming majority of scientists with expertise in the field do not assign climate change primarily to human factors is just wrong.  

So as I said we have a choice.  

a) we can ignore the scientists, assume they are conveniently wrong and carry on regardless. We will have a marginally better lifestyle as a result. If the scientists are wrong, no harm done but if the scientists are right our grandchildren will have massively reduced living standards, at best and will die at worst. At the very least we will impose catastrophic damage on our planet and other species. 

or

b) Humanity can act on the advice of scientists and guarantee a marginal reduction in our living standards.  If the scientists are wrong, we have reduced our living standards pointlessly. If the scientists are right, we have avoided the worst damage to our grandchildren giving them a inhabitable world full of life and other species.  

Gambles are always gambles but when one outcome is significantly more likely than the other AND the benefits of that potentially outcome are significant and the costs relatively minor, it's pretty obvious to anyone not consumed by political ideology which way we should go. Whether humanity is capable of acting altruistically and collectively for the benefit of future generations is arguable. It is not helped by people seeking political power pretending to the gullible that they can safely avoid the living standards drop now.

Oh Sandy. You are wriggling and diverting to try to undermine reality.  You are back now to questioning the consensus.

I am well aware that the figure of 97% has been challenged. I have never used it. I imagine the figure fluctuates a bit over time.  

What is not questionable, in fact is simple fact, is that the overwhelming majority of climate change scientists agree that the primary cause of climate change is human.  

And hence you are left with the gamble I have outlined.  I suppose the question is "do you feel your grandchildren will be lucky, Punk?"

I thought the last time they shot a rocket into the stratosphere to measure stuff it reported the carbon dioxide level to be rather LESS than the doomsday mathematical models said it should be

But those models are from the same stable as Ferguson and his “COVID = Black Death but I’m still going to shag my mistress when I’ve got it and and shag her again when she’s infected from me and I’ve recovered” attitude

The problem I have with all government scientists is this.

When one of them proved that you were more likely to die from falling off a horse than from smoking pot, and that the analysis of exhaled vaping mixture shows it is impossible to absorb nicotine, or any of the cancerous compounds in tobacco, through ‘passive smoking’ he was sacked for refusing to utter the guff demanded by the politicians paying him to be ‘independent’ from them.

As a qualified scientist who once worked with a chap trying to exploit the very system the vaping machine uses as a way to administer vital drugs effectively to premature babies, sacking a bloke I know is telling the truth (because I used to be a bit of an expert in that field myself) because that truth does not fit your political diatribe does NOT endear me to believing the others you pay, regardless of whether they are speaking the truth or not.

I am a sceptic because I see truth speakers removed from the job that puts bread on their tables by politicians who don’t like their truth

Can you REALLY blame me for holding that view given what I have seen ??