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Post by Dubdrifter on Nov 14, 2022 6:34:18 GMT
I just see it as a PR opportunity. We're already a world leader moving towards cleaner energy, and I don't see that changing. Nor is it a bad thing. I very much doubt our foreign aid budget is going to change dramatically as a result of anything said or done here. When you say ‘we’ … are you talking about the UK, the USA or Europe? I don’t record anything the Tories or Labour have done lately that has led the World … They certainly didn’t lead us to move us towards cleaner energy, a reduction in pollution and efficient prosecution of Globalists trashing our Country/Planet. Thatcherism seriously set back any measures our scientists took to push the boundaries to generate power from renewable pollution-free sources. Europe/Far East took those initial ideas, made them work, improved on them, then sold them back to us later when our stupid MP’s realised where the future lay. Building new nuclear facilities …. generating nuclear waste, polluting Tory idiots trying to push Fracking back on the agenda which creates highly toxic waste water lakes and pollutes our country . …. using Drax to create a false Carbon offset … burning woodpulp shipped from abroad … conning the Public electric cars are ‘green’ when their manufacture is very non-environmentally friendly and a large % of the energy that runs them is not ‘green’ at all … delivering no benefit on climate change anyone can see … …conclusion ? … it’s a shameful sham costing us £££€€$$$¥¥¥ billions.  …. A waste of money better spent shutting down Globalist folly. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2022 8:19:45 GMT
China and India do not look too keen either. Both President Xi and PM Modi are sitting it out. It seems to me it is a horror show. Two of the worst polluting nations in the world You don't understand the history of climate warming. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 14, 2022 8:24:20 GMT
Two of the worst polluting nations in the world You don't understand the history of climate warming. Talking of history - if you go to the Museum of London (at the Barbican) you can see an interesting graph of the climate of London going back a millennia..  |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 14, 2022 9:37:14 GMT
Two of the worst polluting nations in the world You don't understand the history of climate warming. Correct, even the scientists don't. |
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Post by Morgan on Nov 14, 2022 9:41:03 GMT
A while back he was invited to discuss Climate Change and he sensibly replied no, sod off, I lots to do in the UK and since the Eco Warriors started gluing themselves to the M25, no one in the UK likes them very much anyway. He could have further replied that he would read all about it in the Guardian and save the taxpayers the cost of the trip.
But then he decided to go and is now getting abused by the world's professional paupers who want handouts because they think living below sea level.
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Post by Toreador on Nov 14, 2022 9:50:44 GMT
A while back he was invited to discuss Climate Change and he sensibly replied no, sod off, I lots to do in the UK and since the Eco Warriors started gluing themselves to the M25, no one in the UK likes them very much anyway. He could have further replied that he would read all about it in the Guardian and save the taxpayers the cost of the trip.
But then he decided to go and is now getting abused by the world's professional paupers who want handouts because they think living below sea level.
Permanently glued in my mind is when he left the conference with his aides, why did he need all those? www.youtube.com/watch?v=51Z1v6pQamw |
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Post by dappy on Nov 14, 2022 10:09:37 GMT
Once again just a quick reminder that the vast majority of scientists with knowledge in the field tell us that man made climate change will at best severely negatively affect human living standards in a couple of generations time at the same time as wiping out large numbers of species sharing our planet, at worst could potentially affect mankind's ability to survive. Look in the eyes of the next one year old little girl you pass in the street and reflect that our selfishness today is forecast to massive damage her life. You OK with that?
We of this generation could take a punt and bet on all the scientists being wrong - if we are right, we get to have slightly better lives now, if we are wrong our selfishness will cause catastrophic damage to our planet. It feels like a really dumb bet to take on.
History I suspect will write (if there is anyone left to do the writing) that one of the great tragedies of the early part of the 21st century was that the right wing "populists", casting around desperately for a cause to further their narrative that those in authority were deliberately doing down "ordinary people" chose climate change as a key component of their narrative to fulfil their lust for power. If the gullible fall for their message, and there is every sign that a significant minority will, and as a result humanity's response to this issue is less than it could have been, our grandkids and great grandkids will have paid a massive price as a direct result of that lust for power of a few men. Perhaps our species doesn't deserve to survive.
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Post by bancroft on Nov 14, 2022 10:24:41 GMT
I think this will not end well.
I would have had much more respect if in the early days they had announced that destroying the carbon sinks of the rain forests combined with fossil fuel consumption would damage the environment.
Instead they have gone off half-cocked and pissed off too many.
Firstly places like Brazil show no signs of stopping the loggers and ssecondly, people and large countries are pursuing their own low cost fossil fuel uses due to cost advantage or profitability.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 14, 2022 11:38:31 GMT
History I suspect will write (if there is anyone left to do the writing) that one of the great tragedies of the early part of the 21st century was that the right wing "populists", casting around desperately for a cause to further their narrative that those in authority were deliberately doing down "ordinary people" chose climate change as a key component of their narrative to fulfil their lust for power. If the gullible fall for their message, and there is every sign that a significant minority will, and as a result humanity's response to this issue is less than it could have been, our grandkids and great grandkids will have paid a massive price as a direct result of that lust for power of a few men. Perhaps our species doesn't deserve to survive. Since when was China run by 'right wing populists'? |
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Post by dappy on Nov 14, 2022 11:57:14 GMT
No one has suggested they are, Pacifico. Please don't misrepresent constantly - getting a little boring now.
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Post by Toreador on Nov 14, 2022 12:06:58 GMT
I think this will not end well. I would have had much more respect if in the early days they had announced that destroying the carbon sinks of the rain forests combined with fossil fuel consumption would damage the environment. Instead they have gone off half-cocked and pissed off too many. Firstly places like Brazil show no signs of stopping the loggers and ssecondly, people and large countries are pursuing their own low cost fossil fuel uses due to cost advantage or profitability. ^^^^^^^^ All true |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 14, 2022 12:20:13 GMT
Two of the worst polluting nations in the world You don't understand the history of climate warming. I never claimed that I did, do you? |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 14, 2022 13:24:43 GMT
Two of the worst polluting nations in the world You don't understand the history of climate warming. It seems obvious that no one understands the history of climate warming and the models upon which we base much of our 'understanding' are pretty inaccurate in terms of past predictions and do not seem able to account for the current pause and the previous pause unless they reapply fiddle factors. They may be learning all the time but their predictions have been wrong in the past, seem to be wrong at the moment and appear to be failing for the future. So the history of climate warming is one of inaccuracy. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 14, 2022 13:33:28 GMT
That isnt really true Sandy.
Even if it were, are you prepared to look your 1 year old granddaughter in the eye and tell her "I am gambling with your very long term existence against the advice of nearly all those who have more knowledge of the subject than me, all so that I can live a little better now. Granddad is a bit of a selfish c*nt, you see?"
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Post by sandypine on Nov 14, 2022 13:53:42 GMT
That isnt really true Sandy. Even if it were, are you prepared to look your 1 year old granddaughter in the eye and tell her "I am gambling with your very long term existence against the advice of nearly all those who have more knowledge of the subject than me, all so that I can live a little better now. Granddad is a bit of a selfish c*nt, you see?" What was inaccurate in what I said? There are other scenarios perhaps she will in the future say thanks grandad for stopping the totalitarians who would see me live in the dark, be largely forbidden to travel, stop me eating any meat, take much of my money to give to countries whose own policies were much more destructive of their environment and forcibly inject me with all sorts of population and climate saving 'vaccines', and for saving this great nation of the UK. But then we are all looking to the future of our children and we disagree on what is important. You think we should all wear sackcloth and ashes and atone for our past sins. I do not believe we owe anyone a living other than our own and in that way I may agree with your last sentence but then that describes most of humanity. |
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