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Post by buccaneer on Dec 7, 2023 21:25:37 GMT
As a society Red we have decided we want to have a state broadcaster for all the reasons that have been posted above. You pay tax to fund it. In our society you don’t get an opt out of paying tax for state services you don’t use. I still pay for schools my kids don’t use, I won’t need Neo-Natal services going forwards. I pay huge amounts for boys to play with their toys. Suck it up, it’s part of a civilised society. If you don’t like it go and live in Brussels…. The BBC isn't an essential service though Dappy. However, it's interesting that you tell people to suck it up when you scream outrage over Britain's migratory visa employment schemes. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 7, 2023 21:27:33 GMT
It seems to have gone down extremely well, there appears to be little if any dissent. His earlier utterances would seem to be curiously at odds with the Outstanding Contribution Award he received in 2022 from the Royal Television Society for commitment to diversity in television journalism.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2023 10:55:26 GMT
Sometimes we have a licence, other times we don't. At the moment it is more convenient to have one as the iPlayer is useful when the grandkids come to visit. However, the whole system is illogical. I find it difficult to figure out why a live stream on YouTube should ever require a TV licence. www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ33 |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 8, 2023 11:58:30 GMT
I find it difficult to figure out why a live stream on YouTube should ever require a TV licence. Gary Lineker needs to keep the wolf from the door.. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 8, 2023 22:37:47 GMT
Apologies - no idea what I did wrong there! Here's what I was going to say.. The BBC are frightened to go down the pay-per-view or subscription route because they know it would be the end for the BBC because millions of people, particularly young people don't watch BBC tv. And besides, keeping left wing Lineker in the millionaire lifestyle he has become used to isn't cheap. Nonsense. The Beeb have been producing internal discussion documents for years on the subject. In a nutshell, it isn't possible yet because - under the terms of the Charter and various bits of broadcasting legislation, services must be available to everyone, and telecom-delivered programming is still unavailable/patchy to some. The most likely non-licence funding model remains general taxation (advertising is fraught with problems under the current charter terms). As for streaming? That has half of the Board of Governors salivating at the prospect. Opening a market to viewers from all over the world with a raft of saleable properties (anything from Doctor Who to Call the Midwife and everything between), and a ready to air back catalogue that no one else has (and everyone wants - just note how much content on streaming services is actually BBC programming) would make them, overnight, one of the biggest networks in the world. (Contrary to the knocker's narrative, salaries at the BBC are far lower than paid by commercial broadcasters. The Beeb are duty bound to publish wages over a certain level. ITV, etc, aren't. If people saw how much some of the ITV presenters are pulling in, they might think twice about whining over the likes of Lineker and Norton, etc.) But the point is, advertisers or pay to view subscriptions pay the salaries of those ITV presenters etc. i am forced to pay the woke left from my taxes. I’d rather sooner see them on the dole. After all, denial of employment IS the preferred tool of the left against any nit of their alignment. I wish to see them enjoy the same treatment |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 8, 2023 22:45:57 GMT
I find it difficult to figure out why a live stream on YouTube should ever require a TV licence. Gary Lineker needs to keep the wolf from the door.. LOL, superb. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 8, 2023 22:48:40 GMT
Sometimes we have a licence, other times we don't. At the moment it is more convenient to have one as the iPlayer is useful when the grandkids come to visit. However, the whole system is illogical. I find it difficult to figure out why a live stream on YouTube should ever require a TV licence. www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ33I don't know why ITV aren't more vocal about people being forced to buy a BBC tv licence to watch ITV. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 8, 2023 22:53:41 GMT
Sometimes we have a licence, other times we don't. At the moment it is more convenient to have one as the iPlayer is useful when the grandkids come to visit. However, the whole system is illogical. I find it difficult to figure out why a live stream on YouTube should ever require a TV licence. www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ33I don't know why ITV aren't more vocal about people being forced to buy a BBC tv licence to watch ITV. ITV don't want the BBC taking on advertising - it would reduce their income. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 9, 2023 0:10:01 GMT
I don't know why ITV aren't more vocal about people being forced to buy a BBC tv licence to watch ITV. ITV don't want the BBC taking on advertising - it would reduce their income. Yes indeed, I have heard that argument and it's a fair point. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 9, 2023 0:15:13 GMT
Imo radio 4 was the jewel in the BBC crown . The rest is much of muchness . The last few times I’ve listened to Radio 4 it’s been cringingly woke . Every thing has a woke message in there somewhere . I don’t want to pay for that and I certainly don’t want to pay for it in order to watch commercial television . I used to listen to R4 all the time, but I eventually got fed up with listening to presenters, many with unpronounceable names, peddling an increasingly left wing woke anti Brit agenda. I don't know whether you have ever complained to the BBC, I have, and it's an utterly pointless exercise. The BBC do not accept criticism. So the only course of action left open to me is to tune out of BBC tv & radio. I have complained to the BBC three times I complained when they re-ran an edition of Old Harry’s Game which had definite adult content when broadcast at 11pm uncensored when repeated at 6:30pm I received a curt rebuke that radio had no watershed, which OFCOM say they have I complained when a so calked stand up comedy slot at that same 6:30 slot featured a ‘comedian’ telling a joke about a pensioner having sex with their wire haired terrier as she could not tell it apart from her equally geriatric and slovenly shaven husband. I received a reply saying they were sorry i saw nothing humerous in this comedian’s oarticular delivery but large numbers of their audience do I also complained at Danny Baker’s morning show with Jonathan Ross where both men seemed to find it hilarious to postulate that Fred West never quite managed to sort out his wine cellar as the flagstones were a little uneven. I don't think i got more than a mere auto response acknowledging my email for that |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 9, 2023 0:23:41 GMT
I used to listen to R4 all the time, but I eventually got fed up with listening to presenters, many with unpronounceable names, peddling an increasingly left wing woke anti Brit agenda. I don't know whether you have ever complained to the BBC, I have, and it's an utterly pointless exercise. The BBC do not accept criticism. So the only course of action left open to me is to tune out of BBC tv & radio. I have complained to the BBC three times I complained when they re-ran an edition of Old Harry’s Game which had definite adult content when broadcast at 11pm uncensored when repeated at 6:30pm I received a curt rebuke that radio had no watershed, which OFCOM say they have I complained when a so calked stand up comedy slot at that same 6:30 slot featured a ‘comedian’ telling a joke about a pensioner having sex with their wire haired terrier as she could not tell it apart from her equally geriatric and slovenly shaven husband. I received a reply saying they were sorry i saw nothing humerous in this comedian’s oarticular delivery but large numbers of their audience do I also complained at Danny Baker’s morning show with Jonathan Ross where both men seemed to find it hilarious to postulate that Fred West never quite managed to sort out his wine cellar as the flagstones were a little uneven. I don't think i got more than a mere auto response acknowledging my email for that I cant remember the specific reasons I complained. I remember on one occasion I was so annoyed that I immediately phoned the BBC to register my complaint and spoke to a Scottish woman who really didn't give a damn and was clearly going though a pre prepared script that ended with 'would you like me to raise your concern with a duty manager', at which point I may have lost it. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 9, 2023 0:34:53 GMT
My stance is simple: i want them forced to seek funding from willing viewers. That way
1) i can choose to pay or not. I imagine dome form of pay per view would appear in short order enabling me to pay to watch any item that REALLY grabbed me (vanishingly unlikely)
2) i suspect a lot of their woke shit would die. Who would pay to watch it ?
3) even if it did not, and flourished, i would not care as the money flowing in to fund it would not include any from me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2023 10:26:35 GMT
What you are proposing is that the BBC should be dragged DOWN to the same level as the commercial stations, with the much poorer quality of programming that would automatically come with it. Endless repeats, cheap programming, and a high rate of imports. No Thank You It's a bit late in the day to presenting that argument given that ITV was given the go-ahead in 1955.
But there was never any intention that the BBC would feel compelled to compete with commercial television it just turned out that way.
Perhaps funding the state broadcaster from a politically-sensitive license fee was the reason why. In most continental countries they are funded from general taxation and their continuing existence is pretty much a non-issue.
If you want to experience life without something like the BBC (or TF1, or ARD etc) just spend some time in America and let us know how you like the telly offerings there.
I understand where you are going with this argument, but todays poor quality of British TV ( excluding BBC ) is not the fault of ITV, and in reality there is nothing wrong with commercial TV channels. The problem is that there are just too many commercial channels, all fighting for the same advertising revenue, all trying to produce programming that viewers will actually watch, and the resources are now so thin, that most of these channels do not make any programmes, they cannot aford to. The deregulation of British TV, the explosion in channels gave us what Free Market Conservatives describe as "more choice" ............. a choice of garbbage, endless repeats, 500 different fly on the wall documentaries about police forces, hundreds of fat Americans telling us how to make burgers, and effeminate men buying wedding dresses. UK television was better quality when there were just four channels - we had proper regional ITV stations who produced local news, local sports programmes. ITV was as good as the BBC, sometimes better, because they had decent revenue. I remember the quality of output from ITV before the explosion of TV channels. Personaly, I believe the answer would be to leave the BBC alone, and then limit commercial channels to say 10, and it would give the commercial channels a fighting chance to produce and make, or buy meaningfull, quality output. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 9, 2023 10:36:16 GMT
I find it difficult to figure out why a live stream on YouTube should ever require a TV licence. Gary Lineker needs to keep the wolf from the door.. It is the private ownership of the BBC that is the problem, sold off by the Government that IIRC had previously said or indicated that they would not sell it off. A touch of the Maggy's creeping in. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 9, 2023 10:41:22 GMT
It's 2023 - we don't need a state broadcaster.
Defund the BBC.
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