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Post by see2 on Dec 8, 2023 17:25:16 GMT
Johnson was the joker in the pack, that was his attraction. He failed to govern effectively. And of course Starmer is in full total control of his party, half of them want him kicked out because he wont back a terrorist group, that says all you need to know about Labour and how effectively they will govern, they are already in a mess. No, that just gives your misguided view on Labour. The sad thoughts of a disheartened Righty ^^^ |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 8, 2023 17:33:02 GMT
And of course Starmer is in full total control of his party, half of them want him kicked out because he wont back a terrorist group, that says all you need to know about Labour and how effectively they will govern, they are already in a mess. No, that just gives your misguided view on Labour. The sad thoughts of a disheartened Righty ^^^ On the contrary, many of us 'righty' have had the honesty to admit the Tories are failing, we haven't made excuses for their poor performance, on the other hand the lefties will make any excuse and come up with all kinds of bullshit why Starmer and Labour are failing. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 8, 2023 17:33:24 GMT
The current turmoil in the Tory party has been a long time comming. Ever since Cameron was prime minister the party has been slowly moving to the centre. But all is not lost, the Tories can still win the next election largely because Starmer and Labour are so mind numbingly uninspiring. Indeed Starmer is the Tories biggest asset, if only they could get their act together. Labour aren't ahead in the polls because they are any good, they are ahead in the polls because the Tories, led by centrist/globalist Sunak, are so bad. Sunak doesn't seem to understand that people are crying out for a proper centre right Conservative party who puts Britain and British people first, and believe me a lot of erstwhile Labour voters in red wall constituencies who voted for Boris want that too. So mind numbing uninspiring yet still looking good compared to 15 years of pathetic government by the Tories. If (New) Labour had been responsible for the political mess of the last 15 years they might have made past the first 10 years but definitely no longer. And probably no more than five Years, that's how good Conservative propaganda is. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 8, 2023 17:38:58 GMT
No, that just gives your misguided view on Labour. The sad thoughts of a disheartened Righty ^^^ On the contrary, many of us 'righty' have had the honesty to admit the Tories are failing, we haven't made excuses for their poor performance, on the other hand the lefties will make any excuse and come up with all kinds of bullshit why Starmer and Labour are failing. When failure is obvious then Labour will ALWAYS acknowledge it, it is only because Tory propaganda cant avoid the Tory failure that their voters have mostly ignored it and have done their best to insult and denigrate Starmer and the Labour party, nothing new there. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 8, 2023 17:41:41 GMT
On the contrary, many of us 'righty' have had the honesty to admit the Tories are failing, we haven't made excuses for their poor performance, on the other hand the lefties will make any excuse and come up with all kinds of bullshit why Starmer and Labour are failing. When failure is obvious then Labour will ALWAYS acknowledge it, it is only because Tory propaganda cant avoid the Tory failure that their voters have mostly ignored it and have done their best to insult and denigrate Starmer and the Labour party, nothing new there. Remind us all again, where does Starmer the leader, and Labour stand regarding Hamas being a terrorist group, and supporting a permanent ceasefire? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 8, 2023 17:51:29 GMT
The current turmoil in the Tory party has been a long time comming. Ever since Cameron was prime minister the party has been slowly moving to the centre. But all is not lost, the Tories can still win the next election largely because Starmer and Labour are so mind numbingly uninspiring. Indeed Starmer is the Tories biggest asset, if only they could get their act together. Labour aren't ahead in the polls because they are any good, they are ahead in the polls because the Tories, led by centrist/globalist Sunak, are so bad. Sunak doesn't seem to understand that people are crying out for a proper centre right Conservative party who puts Britain and British people first, and believe me a lot of erstwhile Labour voters in red wall constituencies who voted for Boris want that too. So mind numbing uninspiring yet still looking good compared to 15 years of pathetic government by the Tories. If (New) Labour had been responsible for the political mess of the last 15 years they might have made past the first 10 years but definitely no longer. And probably no more than five Years, that's how good Conservative propaganda is. Well at least we agree that Labour are mind numbingly uninspiring, progress I suppose. And how many times must you outraged lefties be told, the "Tories" have been in power since 2015 ffs read up. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 8, 2023 18:02:48 GMT
UKIP/Brexit Party were the largest party in the 2014 and 2019 euro elections - with a much higher share of the vote than the Tories are getting now. And in GEs? any party outside of the big 2 is penalised by the electoral system - there is nothing special about UKIP. |
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