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Post by Dogburger on Dec 6, 2023 18:47:38 GMT
Meeting tonight to discuss resignations and letters being handed in . No confidence in Sunak , took them long enough
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 6, 2023 18:52:13 GMT
Apparently Jenrick has gone - the start of civil war?
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Post by Cartertonian on Dec 6, 2023 19:59:46 GMT
Been following this on X (nee Twitter).
What are Sunak's options now? It's obvious that the Tory party is splitting between the ERG/'Common Sense'(whose?) faction and the traditional One Nation wing and Jenrick is almost certainly going to bolster the ranks of the former, perhaps with a view to a Braverman challenge for leadership? Or himself?
One wonders if this is a case of the party internally acknowledging they will lose the next election and of elements within positioning to redefine the party in opposition.
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 6, 2023 20:51:21 GMT
No doubt timed to coincide with Cruella's speech in the Commons.
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 6, 2023 21:08:09 GMT
At the moment i see Jenrick’s actions as wholly understandable. The public story is he sees Sunak’s so called treaty for the worthless bullshit it is while lawyers are still able to chuck rocks at it.
Of course, i see parallels with Tarzan Hesseltine resigning over Westland not getting a certain contract and we all know what that led to
So which grey, unassuming useful idiot will be pressed into service as Sunak’s replacement before the real contenders step up
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Post by dappy on Dec 6, 2023 21:26:33 GMT
Putting my own political leanings to one side, the Tories do seem to have split into a one nation group and a populist group. The populists are not that big in number but are noisy and seemingly no bone Sunak can throw at them will ever be enough. If they destroy the Tory party in the process, perhaps that doesn’t matter as they always have a fall back position of using the Reform party badge . They desperately need to resolve this internal war but it’s desperately difficult to do in power and with an election looming, it’s hard to see what is the least bad option for them. I struggle honestly to see what that is.
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Post by dappy on Dec 6, 2023 22:07:08 GMT
Maybe announcing a Feb election now is the best way out accepting they are likely to take a hammering. Trouble is how could a one nation Tory voter vote for a party that if elected might kick Sunak out within six months and veer to the populists or a populist voter vote Tory knowing that Sunak May be emboldened by his win and kick the populists out. We all assume a Canada style wipe out couldn’t happen here but could it? So perhaps they are better off with a death by 1000 cuts struggling on to this time next year ?
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Post by Vinny on Dec 6, 2023 22:12:46 GMT
Labour need their own equivalent of the 1922 Committee.
Starmer is abysmal.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 6, 2023 22:17:36 GMT
Been following this on X (nee Twitter). What are Sunak's options now? It's obvious that the Tory party is splitting between the ERG/'Common Sense'(whose?) faction and the traditional One Nation wing and Jenrick is almost certainly going to bolster the ranks of the former, perhaps with a view to a Braverman challenge for leadership? Or himself? One wonders if this is a case of the party internally acknowledging they will lose the next election and of elements within positioning to redefine the party in opposition. I think it's more like the few genuine conservatives trying to reclaim their party from the takeover by ersatz New Labour politicians with no principles. With regards to the election - what is the point of the current Tory leadership winning an election if all they are going to do is enact New Labour policies?. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 6, 2023 22:19:31 GMT
Maybe announcing a Feb election now is the best way out accepting they are likely to take a hammering. Trouble is how could a one nation Tory voter vote for a party that if elected might kick Sunak out within six months and veer to the populists or a populist voter vote Tory knowing that Sunak May be emboldened by his win and kick the populists out. We all assume a Canada style wipe out couldn’t happen here but could it? So perhaps they are better off with a death by 1000 cuts struggling on to this time next year ? you assume that Sunak is popular with Tory voters...  I would just remind you that when the Tories had a leadership election Sunak lost. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 6, 2023 22:20:58 GMT
You are confusing members with voters. Not the same thing at all as of course Corbyn’s Labour found out.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 6, 2023 22:26:26 GMT
You are confusing members with voters. Not the same thing at all as of course Corbyn’s Labour found out. Eh? - the members wanted Johnson as leader who left office with support for the Tories at just under 40% - now, under Sunak, it is 23%.. ...and you say that I am confused..  |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 6, 2023 22:31:06 GMT
You are confusing members with voters. Not the same thing at all as of course Corbyn’s Labour found out. Eh? - the members wanted Johnson as leader who left office with support for the Tories at just under 40% - now, under Sunak, it is 23%.. ...and you say that I am confused.. i tried searching for articles covering Truss’ popularity and to be honest all i found were attacks on her written by rabid lefty's. I’ve no idea what voters thought |
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Post by dappy on Dec 6, 2023 22:36:57 GMT
You are confusing members with voters. Not the same thing at all as of course Corbyn’s Labour found out. Eh? - the members wanted Johnson as leader who left office with support for the Tories at just under 40% - now, under Sunak, it is 23%.. ...and you say that I am confused.. You seem to be getting more confused and more at odds with reality. Do you believe that remain a substantial number of people who would vote Tory if they are within tangential distance of “one nation” but wouldn’t do so if they were full on “populist” |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 6, 2023 22:51:20 GMT
Eh? - the members wanted Johnson as leader who left office with support for the Tories at just under 40% - now, under Sunak, it is 23%.. ...and you say that I am confused.. You seem to be getting more confused and more at odds with reality. Do you believe that remain a substantial number of people who would vote Tory if they are within tangential distance of “one nation” but wouldn’t do so if they were full on “populist” We currently have a 'one nation' Tory as PM - how is he doing?. What you seem to be missing (perhaps deliberately) is that a 'one nation' Tory Party does not attract support from nominally Labour or LibDem voters but does repel people who are looking for a conservative government. We have seen it time and again - when the Tory party refuses to be conservative their core vote stays at home and sits on their hands. |
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