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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 3, 2023 8:08:24 GMT
No, its not interfearence in British politics, its not interfearance of any kind what so ever, it is a leading European politician giving her opinion on the future of the United Kingdom. Its the kind of thing that forum members do on these boards every day, we are all entitled to our opinions. Further more - Mrs Von der leyen is 100% correct, and I have always stuck by the claim that the UK will rejoin, at some point in the future. The reasons been are blatantly obvious, because the vote was very heavily age biased, with younger age groups been majority in favour of REMAIN, and the over 50s been heavily in favour of LEAVE, and this has not changed, except to say that those who would now vote REMAIN are in the majority, seven and a half years after the referendum. If the current trend continues, then the demands to revisit the question cannot be ignored, it will happen, its going to happen whether you like it or not. Its simply a matter of when, how far into the future. Your post misses out the words fanatical and extremist which she is. And, which your post comes across as being. On morning of the day of the referendum I heard the results of a poll mentioned on BBC Radio 4 that morning, which put remain ten points ahead.
You still lost by over a million votes.
The young don't have the life experience of the older voters and the hopeful inclusive 18 year olds of 1975 were the same people your lot consider to be the "racist old bigots" of 2016.
You're grasping at straws and floundering instead of looking to the future, you're stuck in the past.
Only a very small minority of fringe extremists want to tear up our FTAs and go back in.
Besides, you weren't able to convince the country to stay in when it had a rebate, and opt outs from the Euro, from Schengen etc.
We'd have to pay the full amount (not economically sensible), join Schengen and accept unlimited immigration from the EU, without border controls, and join the Euro too (fuck that).
Can't see us rejoining, ever. We'd be throwing away too much, and paying to become a vassal state.
Watch the "reform" of the EU closely, it'll become even worse.
Yes. Even the Exit poll that some people in the City commissioned said that Remain had won. The point that people like Sid don't understand (or one of the many points) is that polls only work if you know the electorate well enough to take an accurate sample. In the case of a GE the various constituencies are understood well enough to do this usually. But with Brexit it's very difficult because it cuts across so many political boundaries. You need a huge poll to stand any chance of getting an accurate result - and then there's always the problem of what the question should be which is key. The other fact is that you would expect remain to have a majority at the moment because they've never stopped campaigning to rubbish Brexit. There's a huge amount of energy and money being put into the "Rejoin" campaign. I'd like to know where it comes from - some is certainly comng from the EU. On the bollocks of needing to be part of big trading bloc, that's simply not true. The lesson of the EU is that the bigger the bloc gets the more difficulty it has striking trade deals - the EU takes years to make even very small trade deals. And the argument that we need to join the EU for safety is nonsense. We're in NATO. The EU is actually a dangerous place to be now because their empire building has provoked a war with Russia, which should never have happened if the EU had been paying attention. The EU spend too much time trying to get us to rejoin and trying to make life as difficult as possible for us - and failing. |
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 3, 2023 8:10:11 GMT
Is commenting on annother country now "interfering"? An emotionally loaded word.
If so, half this forum would be "interfering" in other countries' affairs.
When you stop seeing Europe as a de facto enemy, you will be much happier.
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Post by wapentake on Dec 3, 2023 9:07:36 GMT
Is commenting on annother country now "interfering"? An emotionally loaded word. If so, half this forum would be "interfering" in other countries' affairs. When you stop seeing Europe as a de facto enemy, you will be much happier. Europe is not our enemy,the concept of a federal Europe and its accompanying bureaucracy is,there are people within seeing that. Nato and military cooperation doesn’t need to rely on a political union,I still believe if it had remained as a common market without the delusional political union we’d never have left. |
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 3, 2023 9:10:08 GMT
Is commenting on annother country now "interfering"? An emotionally loaded word. If so, half this forum would be "interfering" in other countries' affairs. When you stop seeing Europe as a de facto enemy, you will be much happier. Europe is not our enemy,the concept of a federal Europe and its accompanying bureaucracy is,there are people within seeing that. Nato and military cooperation doesn’t need to rely on a political union,I still believe if it had remained as a common market without the delusional political union we’d never have left. I am afraid that until the rest of Europe dismantles the EU, the political union will remain. |
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 3, 2023 10:24:11 GMT
Europe is not our enemy,the concept of a federal Europe and its accompanying bureaucracy is,there are people within seeing that. Nato and military cooperation doesn’t need to rely on a political union,I still believe if it had remained as a common market without the delusional political union we’d never have left. I am afraid that until the rest of Europe dismantles the EU, the political union will remain. If that's the case, I am afraid you will always have a skeptical UK on your doorstep. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 3, 2023 13:13:29 GMT
Europe is not our enemy,the concept of a federal Europe and its accompanying bureaucracy is,there are people within seeing that. Nato and military cooperation doesn’t need to rely on a political union,I still believe if it had remained as a common market without the delusional political union we’d never have left. I am afraid that until the rest of Europe dismantles the EU, the political union will remain. But you need to understand what the EU is trying to do. This "political union" is basically an attempt to abolish nations. So we have, for example, the disastrous policy of Schengen which means that anyone can move from one EU "state" (that's in Schengen) to another without any papers. This is an open invitation to illegal immigration and criminality which has been exploited to the full by the muslims. It also means (eventually) that the EU Commission imposes fiscal union on the EU "states" that have adopted the euro. Well, the idea of Schengen is like a bad smell around most EU States and fiscal union is a total non-starter. The model doesn't work. In fact even the idea of free trade area of like-minded countries didn't really work. But when the EU came into being and expanded the EU to include low wage countries it became a liability. |
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 3, 2023 14:02:23 GMT
I dont accept conspiracy theories.
Absolute rubbish.
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 3, 2023 14:03:26 GMT
I am afraid that until the rest of Europe dismantles the EU, the political union will remain. If that's the case, I am afraid you will always have a skeptical UK on your doorstep. Not according to two years of close polling. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 3, 2023 17:18:43 GMT
I dont accept conspiracy theories. Absolute rubbish. Politics is one long continuous conspiracy. Put ‘ theory’ in front of it and the meaning becomes a meaningless insult against anyone that knows . |
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 3, 2023 22:51:49 GMT
If that's the case, I am afraid you will always have a skeptical UK on your doorstep. Not according to two years of close polling. It does matter what polls suggest, there will always be a skeptical element to a politicised EU. Skeptical enough to withdraw us from it in fact. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 4, 2023 8:40:15 GMT
I dont accept conspiracy theories. Absolute rubbish. Politics is one long continuous conspiracy. Put ‘ theory’ in front of it and the meaning becomes a meaningless insult against anyone that knows . Exactly. Politics is built around conspiracy and disinformation. And the words "conspiracy theory" are just another insult used by the Left - like racist and bigot - which also now mean nothing. It would be interesting to have a poll on the forum about how many people believe the well known various conspiracy theories. I certainly don't dismiss them all - like the first moon landing, death of Diana, death of David Kelly, CO2 theory of climate change etc. And as I've pointed out before the advent of the internet has made conspiracy theories very much easier to create. Take the CO2 nonsense for example. All that had to be done was to say that 97% of scientists believe this to be true and stick it on the net. From then on it either dies or becomes viral. If it becomes viral - which it did - then nothing more needs to be done. It'll take on a life of its own and within months no one will be able to contradict it. |
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 4, 2023 9:23:17 GMT
Politics is one long continuous conspiracy. Put ‘ theory’ in front of it and the meaning becomes a meaningless insult against anyone that knows . Exactly. Politics is built around conspiracy and disinformation. And the words "conspiracy theory" are just another insult used by the Left - like racist and bigot - which also now mean nothing. It would be interesting to have a poll on the forum about how many people believe the well known various conspiracy theories. I certainly don't dismiss them all - like the first moon landing, death of Diana, death of David Kelly, CO2 theory of climate change etc. And as I've pointed out before the advent of the internet has made conspiracy theories very much easier to create. Take the CO2 nonsense for example. All that had to be done was to say that 97% of scientists believe this to be true and stick it on the net. From then on it either dies or becomes viral. If it becomes viral - which it did - then nothing more needs to be done. It'll take on a life of its own and within months no one will be able to contradict it. There was nothing in fact in your post to which i replied. It was a combination of misinformation and opinion pretending to be fact. Not worth paying attention to. |
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 4, 2023 9:23:54 GMT
Not according to two years of close polling. It does matter what polls suggest, there will always be a skeptical element to a politicised EU. Skeptical enough to withdraw us from it in fact. Not anymore. IN FACT. |
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 4, 2023 9:33:26 GMT
It does matter what polls suggest, there will always be a skeptical element to a politicised EU. Skeptical enough to withdraw us from it in fact. Not anymore. IN FACT. The UK is no longer in the EU. FACT |
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 4, 2023 9:36:08 GMT
The arrow of time and the voice of the people will eventually correct the mistake.
Enjoy your brief time in your sunny uplands.
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