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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 29, 2023 23:40:08 GMT
People have been saying for a long time China never invents anything and always copies. This view might be a little outdated or might have formed out of lack of realisation of what China is inventing. It turns out China is inventing a lot of things. Some are in the experimental stage/prototypes that might never work properly. It's a high risk and high return game, but I thought I'd start a thread just featuring a short video on each new technology I come across.
As far as I know these videos are produced by the Chinese and are likely made in China, but all have YT US designation, which I think it because everyone in China uses VPN to get through the firewall. They are produced using computer translation of Chinese, so we are dealing with people who are fully Chinese, not those who have become Westernised over in the US. Indeed I think this is a good thing because in my view you have to be over there to really know what is going on. As a consequence though the language is very much expressed in the Chinese culture, which you might find a bit weird, but stick with it. The technical competence is none-the-less high and it does make sense. They appeal to the engineering brain and yet they do love their flashy graphics and like to sell their achievements. It's just how it is. China is what you might describe as vibrant.
Anyway, I have a few to kick off with. First up this is a technology to send high speed telecoms data via lasers on a constellation of satellites to provide 6G comms.
0.8nm EUV light generation using a particle accelerator and micro bunching of electrons to emit highly stable extreme ultraviolet light of very high coherence and narrow bandwidth. This will be used to provide the next generation of high performance microchips.
This one is about a new manufacturing process to produce lighter turbine blades in jet engines.
I'll add any new ones as I come across them. Stay tuned.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2023 12:46:19 GMT
I'm sure they will develop even more efficient technology and surveillance networks to persecute the Buddhists and all who dare oppose the Communist Party of China.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 30, 2023 13:50:43 GMT
I'm sure they will develop even more efficient technology and surveillance networks to persecute the Buddhists and all who dare oppose the Communist Party of China. This thread is purely a thread on technology inventions. Technology can be used for good or bad, but this is just about the science of the technology. Leave the politics for another thread. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2023 14:08:04 GMT
I'm sure they will develop even more efficient technology and surveillance networks to persecute the Buddhists and all who dare oppose the Communist Party of China. This thread is purely a thread on technology inventions. Technology can be used for good or bad, but this is just about the science of the technology. Leave the politics for another thread. Sure, I wouldn't want to be an inconvenience. A thread where only good things are allowed to be spoken about China is probably not for me, even though I personally believe the consequences that follows from this rapid technological evolution is just as or even more important than the technology alone. I will leave you to your singular narrative. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 30, 2023 22:01:57 GMT
This one is about the research into carbon-based nanotubes, expected to start replacing silicon in microchips in about ten years. Some success has been achieved but the big hurdle is to make it into a cheap mass production process. To start with they will be used on high spec RF devices since they can operate at ten times the speed. this is expected in about 3-5 years depending on funding.
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Post by wapentake on Nov 30, 2023 22:45:58 GMT
I’m old enough to remember us calling stuff jap crap and that they invented nothing and copied everything,it’s chinas turn but one day another will come along it’s just how it is.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 1, 2023 12:41:50 GMT
I’m old enough to remember us calling stuff jap crap and that they invented nothing and copied everything,it’s chinas turn but one day another will come along it’s just how it is. The Japs went on to invent the first mag lev train. Now we have a mag lev train in a tunnel. This is strictly Elon Musk's invention, but China put it together. This project is work in progress, but they believe these new trains could achieve 4000km/h
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Post by wapentake on Dec 1, 2023 14:05:49 GMT
I’m old enough to remember us calling stuff jap crap and that they invented nothing and copied everything,it’s chinas turn but one day another will come along it’s just how it is. The Japs went on to invent the first mag lev train. Now we have a mag lev train in a tunnel. This is strictly Elon Musk's invention, but China put it together. This project is work in progress, but they believe these new trains could achieve 4000km/h
The Japanese didn’t they used the work of a British inventor It is largely forgotten that the linear motor was invented here in this country by Eric Laithwaite I remember seeing it on bbc tomorrows world,like so much other innovation like Christopher Cockerell and the hovercraft others went on to capitalise. So much wasted talent and clueless politicians an businesses that never really backed them |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 1, 2023 14:15:21 GMT
The Japs went on to invent the first mag lev train. Now we have a mag lev train in a tunnel. This is strictly Elon Musk's invention, but China put it together. This project is work in progress, but they believe these new trains could achieve 4000km/h
The Japanese didn’t they used the work of a British inventor It is largely forgotten that the linear motor was invented here in this country by Eric Laithwaite I remember seeing it on bbc tomorrows world,like so much other innovation like Christopher Cockerell and the hovercraft others went on to capitalise. So much wasted talent and clueless politicians an businesses that never really backed them Yes, sorry, I meant to say they constructed the first commercial passenger version. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 1, 2023 16:50:07 GMT
I've just finished a very interesting book by Simon Winchester, The Perfectionists, in which he relates the pursuit of precision in science and technology.
Lots of Brits in the early days but now it's a mostly American affair.
No Chinese though.
Sorry, Baron no YT link as far as I'm aware (haven't actually looked)
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 1, 2023 17:20:12 GMT
I've just finished a very interesting book by Simon Winchester, The Perfectionists, in which he relates the pursuit of precision in science and technology. Lots of Brits in the early days but now it's a mostly American affair. No Chinese though. Sorry, Baron no YT link as far as I'm aware (haven't actually looked) I found this link from his wiki page.
He talks about the guy who made a factory to mass produce pulley blocks for the Navy in Victorian times, saying it was the first example of a mass produced process. He then goes on to say the machines he invented in the factory were "very good" and qualifies that by saying the same machines were still in use up to 1965. Now even though he thinks, what wonderful British engineering that such machines would last so long, but the problem is the way he thinks. Really using the same machines for so long without any development is stagnation, which is why we had the Winter of Discontent not so long after 1965. No doubt other factories had Victorian machines in them.
What fascinates me is the way the East and the West think in fundamentally different ways, but at the same time they can be inspired by one another. The firm Huawei was born out of Ren Zhengfei's fascination with America. America was one of the pioneers of mass production, which took off with the railways in the 1870s and the combination of transport and using that transport to ship high quality refined fuel. Before that time it was a very grim existence for many. They did not have basic things like lights until paraffin was available. Ren had not even seen a supermarket before his first visit to the US. He feels indebted to the US for showing him how to do capitalism. At the time the CPC were wary of the firm and told him it was too capitalist, but later on as the money and tax receipts rolled in the CPC started to love it. It kind of inspired a lot of what was to follow as the economy was opened up to face competition.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 1, 2023 19:02:10 GMT
I didn't catch the bit where he says the machines in the Portsmouth pulley block factory were still in use in 1965 but I'll look it up.
Seems a bit dubious since the blocks were used for rigging in sailing ships but I will check.
You raise an interesting point though: should technical processes always be superseded when something new comes along? Even though the existing process/machinery is still perfectly adequate?
He also describes a visit to the Seiko factory in Japan, the inventor of the quartz watch. Apparently it produces 20,000 a day, all produced by robots and all perfectly fine and very good timekeepers. But this in the 70s Seiko decided to take on the Swiss and introduced the 'Grand Seiko' range of mechanical watches of which they produce 100 a week selling for tens or hundreds of thousands of Euros.
Is that a mistake in your view?
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 1, 2023 20:32:13 GMT
I didn't catch the bit where he says the machines in the Portsmouth pulley block factory were still in use in 1965 but I'll look it up. Seems a bit dubious since the blocks were used for rigging in sailing ships but I will check. You raise an interesting point though: should technical processes always be superseded when something new comes along? Even though the existing process/machinery is still perfectly adequate? He also describes a visit to the Seiko factory in Japan, the inventor of the quartz watch. Apparently it produces 20,000 a day, all produced by robots and all perfectly fine and very good timekeepers. But this in the 70s Seiko decided to take on the Swiss and introduced the 'Grand Seiko' range of mechanical watches of which they produce 100 a week selling for tens or hundreds of thousands of Euros. Is that a mistake in your view? Well it is kind of playing the conspicuous consumption game. It's the "my watch is better than yours" business. I know the Chinese like this like sort of thing as well. You can pay a fortune in China for American-branded goods with a fashionable name or your Italian designer fashion. Britain has gone far too far down this road on hand made stuff. It has got to the point the price of these things has gone through the roof whilst the quality has deteriorated. Dr Martin's boots are an example. They were cheap workman's boots at one time but well made. |
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Post by wapentake on Dec 1, 2023 21:34:33 GMT
I didn't catch the bit where he says the machines in the Portsmouth pulley block factory were still in use in 1965 but I'll look it up. Seems a bit dubious since the blocks were used for rigging in sailing ships but I will check. You raise an interesting point though: should technical processes always be superseded when something new comes along? Even though the existing process/machinery is still perfectly adequate? He also describes a visit to the Seiko factory in Japan, the inventor of the quartz watch. Apparently it produces 20,000 a day, all produced by robots and all perfectly fine and very good timekeepers. But this in the 70s Seiko decided to take on the Swiss and introduced the 'Grand Seiko' range of mechanical watches of which they produce 100 a week selling for tens or hundreds of thousands of Euros. Is that a mistake in your view? Well it is kind of playing the conspicuous consumption game. It's the "my watch is better than yours" business. I know the Chinese like this like sort of thing as well. You can pay a fortune in China for American-branded goods with a fashionable name or your Italian designer fashion. Britain has gone far too far down this road on hand made stuff. It has got to the point the price of these things has gone through the roof whilst the quality has deteriorated. Dr Martin's boots are an example. They were cheap workman's boots at one time but well made. Don’t know about my watch is better than yours but Regatta are in a bit of trouble a Derbyshire woman bought one of their jackets and felt something in the lining. Cutting it open she found a Chinese prisoner id,their first advice when she rang was bin it,then panic set in they rang offered her a new coat and demanded the card,she contacted the press,not a good look and the coat was t even marked as made in China. www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/01/chinese-prisoners-id-card-apparently-found-regatta-coat-lining-derbyshire#:~:text=An%20ID%20card%20that%20appears,in%20the%20Black%20Friday%20sale. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 1, 2023 21:36:40 GMT
It might also be that people with the money to spend place a premium on products which are obviously produced by humans rather than robots.
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