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Post by patman post on Jun 13, 2024 14:49:43 GMT
This is bloody weird and I'm still uncertain how it works but what we have here is the quantum battery. It's a joint research paper from Beijing and Tokyo University. This is very odd in itself, but funnily enough I've been suggesting to the Chinese they should get on with the Japs and do some tech together.
So what we have is a new type of battery which is said to work on quantum effects and the bottom line is it can store more energy and will store it at a greater efficiency if it is charged slowly. Now how it works is spooky. There is this theory called indefinite causal order, which means that the law of cause and effect can be reversed. Say A causes B to happen, then if we reverse it, we will first of all get the effect B and then we will follow that by the thing that causes it. Now if that is not weird enough, it is further possible to have a superimposed double state where we have A cases B superimposed with B causing A so as I understand it, then when we make an observation of which it is, it can revolve into either way around, as per the normal principle of quantum supposition, but this time we superimpose causality. You think I'm joking right. well in 2017 this paper came out from Vienna which experientially proves this does indeed happen.
It's a very long paper, and i have not had time to read it, but just so you know.
Now using this effect these Chinese and Japs have used it to make a battery store more energy.
We only have the abstract here
or a press release, but neither explain the intricacies of why this effect improves battery performance.
The Lotus Emeya electric four-door GT has beaten the record for the fastest charging electric car in the world by completing a charge from 10 to 80 per cent in only 14 minutes. That knocks the previous holder - the Porsche Taycan - off its throne.
At the Lotus Emeya’s maximum speed and starting with an empty battery, it is capable of gaining 193 miles of range in just 10 minutes. That's almost enough to drive from London to Manchester.
The Emeya’s high speed charging is achieved thanks advanced battery tech. The battery uses a cell-to-pack structure, which means that 20 per cent more cells can be added into the battery pack compared to a regular battery structure. Lotus has also installed a new cooling system in the Emeya, which is designed to keep the battery cool and more efficient during those high speed charges.
Lotus is currently majority owned (51%) by Chinese multinational Geely...
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Post by Vinny on Jun 13, 2024 18:19:29 GMT
When those behind tech have horrendously unethical reputations, the tech cannot be trusted.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 13, 2024 19:01:09 GMT
This is bloody weird and I'm still uncertain how it works but what we have here is the quantum battery. It's a joint research paper from Beijing and Tokyo University. This is very odd in itself, but funnily enough I've been suggesting to the Chinese they should get on with the Japs and do some tech together.
So what we have is a new type of battery which is said to work on quantum effects and the bottom line is it can store more energy and will store it at a greater efficiency if it is charged slowly. Now how it works is spooky. There is this theory called indefinite causal order, which means that the law of cause and effect can be reversed. Say A causes B to happen, then if we reverse it, we will first of all get the effect B and then we will follow that by the thing that causes it. Now if that is not weird enough, it is further possible to have a superimposed double state where we have A cases B superimposed with B causing A so as I understand it, then when we make an observation of which it is, it can revolve into either way around, as per the normal principle of quantum supposition, but this time we superimpose causality. You think I'm joking right. well in 2017 this paper came out from Vienna which experientially proves this does indeed happen.
It's a very long paper, and i have not had time to read it, but just so you know.
Now using this effect these Chinese and Japs have used it to make a battery store more energy.
We only have the abstract here
or a press release, but neither explain the intricacies of why this effect improves battery performance.
The Lotus Emeya electric four-door GT has beaten the record for the fastest charging electric car in the world by completing a charge from 10 to 80 per cent in only 14 minutes. That knocks the previous holder - the Porsche Taycan - off its throne.
At the Lotus Emeya’s maximum speed and starting with an empty battery, it is capable of gaining 193 miles of range in just 10 minutes. That's almost enough to drive from London to Manchester.
The Emeya’s high speed charging is achieved thanks advanced battery tech. The battery uses a cell-to-pack structure, which means that 20 per cent more cells can be added into the battery pack compared to a regular battery structure. Lotus has also installed a new cooling system in the Emeya, which is designed to keep the battery cool and more efficient during those high speed charges.
Lotus is currently majority owned (51%) by Chinese multinational Geely...
Lotus will do very well for themselves. They have Chinese business partners so they have a big advantage and access to all the latest technology over that way at Chinese prices. Compare that to Jaguar who are run by the Indians. Reports say sales of the new Jaguar models are embarrassingly low and its something they keep trying to relaunch. They were plagued with software trouble. I keep trying to remind people that Chinese software is doing a whole lot better than this cruddy Indians stuff, much liked by our public services via outsourcing. Also on the range side, they have 2000km range cars at the Shenzhen car show. No one could possibly complain about the range in this country. The longest distance is Lands End to John O'Groats at 970km. |
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Post by patman post on Jun 14, 2024 12:10:53 GMT
The Lotus Emeya electric four-door GT has beaten the record for the fastest charging electric car in the world by completing a charge from 10 to 80 per cent in only 14 minutes. That knocks the previous holder - the Porsche Taycan - off its throne.
At the Lotus Emeya’s maximum speed and starting with an empty battery, it is capable of gaining 193 miles of range in just 10 minutes. That's almost enough to drive from London to Manchester.
The Emeya’s high speed charging is achieved thanks advanced battery tech. The battery uses a cell-to-pack structure, which means that 20 per cent more cells can be added into the battery pack compared to a regular battery structure. Lotus has also installed a new cooling system in the Emeya, which is designed to keep the battery cool and more efficient during those high speed charges.
Lotus is currently majority owned (51%) by Chinese multinational Geely...
Lotus will do very well for themselves. They have Chinese business partners so they have a big advantage and access to all the latest technology over that way at Chinese prices. Compare that to Jaguar who are run by the Indians. Reports say sales of the new Jaguar models are embarrassingly low and its something they keep trying to relaunch. They were plagued with software trouble. I keep trying to remind people that Chinese software is doing a whole lot better than this cruddy Indians stuff, much liked by our public services via outsourcing. Also on the range side, they have 2000km range cars at the Shenzhen car show. No one could possibly complain about the range in this country. The longest distance is Lands End to John O'Groats at 970km. Jaguar Land Rover is plagued by dire after sales service and customer relations. However, according to my Dad, Jaguar has resurrected an original design aspect of the marque — built-in unreliability… |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 14, 2024 12:19:49 GMT
Lotus will do very well for themselves. They have Chinese business partners so they have a big advantage and access to all the latest technology over that way at Chinese prices. Compare that to Jaguar who are run by the Indians. Reports say sales of the new Jaguar models are embarrassingly low and its something they keep trying to relaunch. They were plagued with software trouble. I keep trying to remind people that Chinese software is doing a whole lot better than this cruddy Indians stuff, much liked by our public services via outsourcing. Also on the range side, they have 2000km range cars at the Shenzhen car show. No one could possibly complain about the range in this country. The longest distance is Lands End to John O'Groats at 970km. Jaguar Land Rover is plagued by dire after sales service and customer relations. However, according to my Dad, Jaguar has resurrected an original design aspect of the marque — built-in unreliability… You get different forms of unreliability now. Lets say your car is all modern and is run by computers as is the way cars are in today's market. Well with Jaguar, you can be cruising at 70mph on a motorway, and then the computer has a tendency to intermittently execute some suspect lines of code, and the pedal is like it would be if you had your foot to the floor. A similar thing was reported in the new Volkswagens they had punted out onto the Chinese car market. Bear in mind Chinese are used to, and take it for granted the software works, but on these occasions they were reporting debug screens flipping up randomly. A debug screen is something the developer put into it simply for the purpose of helping to debug the system and of course should be removed in the released version, except it wasn't, and the computer had a mind of its own. That's a lesson on how to destroy your lucrative Chinese market in one simple fuckup. The customers were livid. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 21, 2024 11:18:28 GMT
This is a very good one. As you may be aware, our flash memory chips do not store data forever. They have limited read/write cycles and can cause data corruption, hence why we use a controller chip to level the wear on each memory location. Now China has come up with a storage technique which uses sliding ferromagnetic domains. The material is such that they only have lateral movement and can not interfere with adjacent layers, and they have found the mechanism for this wear. The research has resulted in a working memory chip that after 4 million read/write cycles was seen to be as good as new. They believe it can give an infinite read/write cycle operation. It also has high data density and is cheap to manufacture.
From what they say, I think they can also employ this technology to create an analogue storage cell, since AI works on millions of analogue weights which have to be stored and modified as the machine is trained. The speed-up can be achieved if you don't encode the weights digitally but store the number in a single cell.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 1, 2024 9:43:47 GMT
Even the dictatorship in Beijing recognises the need for fuel cells cars to replace battery cars and has a policy of getting fifty thousand fuel cell cars on the road by next year.
That said, we should hit China's dictatorship with sanctions and keep their tat out of civilised countries.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 1, 2024 10:16:31 GMT
Even the dictatorship in Beijing recognises the need for fuel cells cars to replace battery cars and has a policy of getting fifty thousand fuel cell cars on the road by next year. That said, we should hit China's dictatorship with sanctions and keep their tat out of civilised countries. According to my sources, the only country that fully went for hydrogen rather than the approach taken by everyone else is the Japs and to some extent Taiwan, which has very irrational hydrogen subsidies that back a technology which is actually more costly.
The Japs want to produce hydrogen directly from nuclear power, which gives then cheap hydrogen, but fuel cells seem to be a dying idea, so they would rather combust it either in an engine similar to petrol or a gas turbine. I mean 20 years ago billions were invested into fuel cell research to try and do it cost effectively, but to date this is impossible. Platinum is extremely costly and if it were widely used the price would go through the roof.
Now if you have any China tech to put on this thread, by all means, but this is just about what the Chinese are doing. I'm trying to run the two different threads together so we can compare ourselves to the country which our media won't stop criticising. This thread is all about them inventing useful stuff for the future. It's a positive good news thread, to make a change from all the shit talked about different people and groups.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 1, 2024 10:31:08 GMT
BvL: "...A similar thing was reported in the new Vauxhalls they had punted out onto the Chinese car market."
Which Vauxhalls were they?
As far as I'm aware Vauxhall vehicles have not been sold outside the UK since the 1980s. In addition, every Vauxhall sold in the UK is designed by Opel in Germany and, more recently, by new owner Peugeot.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 1, 2024 11:41:07 GMT
BvL: "...A similar thing was reported in the new Vauxhalls they had punted out onto the Chinese car market." Which Vauxhalls were they? As far as I'm aware Vauxhall vehicles have not been sold outside the UK since the 1980s. In addition, every Vauxhall sold in the UK is designed by Opel in Germany and, more recently, by new owner Peugeot. Oh sorry, I meant Volkswagen. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 13, 2024 18:16:51 GMT
Even the dictatorship in Beijing recognises the need for fuel cells cars to replace battery cars and has a policy of getting fifty thousand fuel cell cars on the road by next year. That said, we should hit China's dictatorship with sanctions and keep their tat out of civilised countries. You are bolloxed with your hundred grand fuel cells.
A new solid state battery technology has just been announced. It's called LPSO a sulphide lithium combination that is 8% of the cost of normal batteries.
This was reported in the South China Morning Post, see 6:00
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Post by Vinny on Jul 13, 2024 18:28:18 GMT
Supply and demand. Mass production of fuel cells drops the price from £100k to £3k Even your human rights abusing heroes in China are beginning mass produciton of fuel cell cars to avoid being left out when the battery electric vehicle market implodes. www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202403/11/WS65ee58bba31082fc043bbc60.htmlSales of hydrogen fuel cell cars have surged by 70% over in the dictatorship. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 13, 2024 18:53:34 GMT
Supply and demand. Mass production of fuel cells drops the price from £100k to £3k Even your human rights abusing heroes in China are beginning mass produciton of fuel cell cars to avoid being left out when the battery electric vehicle market implodes. www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202403/11/WS65ee58bba31082fc043bbc60.htmlSales of hydrogen fuel cell cars have surged by 70% over in the dictatorship. Oh well we will have to see if they find solution that does not use platinum etc.
I don't rate all the government's commercial decisions by the way. They are fallible, but at the same time they are very pushy about China gaining a lead in all technologies, hence why they may be doing this.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 14, 2024 12:34:26 GMT
Here's a bit of tech you might not have thought of. In the age of sustainability we do not want plastic disposable stuff everywhere as plastic will last forever. Think of how many plastic knives and forks there are for fast food or how many plastic straws. We could make them from wood, but bamboo grows a lot faster and is therefore a lot cheaper. It is more versatile than wood and has a high strength. It can be used for most things wood is used for, including building materials and furniture. I have a bamboo cutting board in my kitchen and can testify it has lasted some ten years where the wooden ones I used to buy would go mouldy and knacker up after 6m. Bamboo is better than you might think. Here is a video showing you all aspects of China bamboo production and uses.
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