|
|
Post by seniorcitizen007 on Nov 29, 2023 18:44:05 GMT
They could unilaterally declare a cease fire for a period of time after which they would release a few named hostages ... with the threat of executing them if Israel breaks the cease fire. They could repeat this for a prolonged period of time.
|
|
|
|
Post by walterpaisley on Nov 29, 2023 19:07:43 GMT
So they'd still have illegally abducted hostages to hold for ransom then?
Unacceptable.
|
|
|
|
Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 29, 2023 19:10:09 GMT
They could strap suicide belts to themselves, march out into the desert and blow themselves up.
That would be the best thing they could do.
|
|
|
|
Post by Ripley on Nov 29, 2023 19:25:53 GMT
They could admit defeat and surrender their leaders, but they won't, because they haven't achieved their objective.
|
|
|
|
Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 29, 2023 19:29:17 GMT
They could admit defeat and surrender their leaders, but they won't, because they haven't achieved their objective. To destroy Israel - which they'll never achieve, or to attain martyrdom - which they might? |
|
|
|
Post by Ripley on Nov 29, 2023 19:49:22 GMT
They could admit defeat and surrender their leaders, but they won't, because they haven't achieved their objective. To destroy Israel - which they'll never achieve, or to attain martyrdom - which they might? For all I know, they may have more than one objective, but it appears their primary objective is to replace Israel with an Islamic Palestinian state. |
|
|
|
Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 29, 2023 19:52:25 GMT
To destroy Israel - which they'll never achieve, or to attain martyrdom - which they might? For all I know, they may have more than one objective, but it appears their primary objective is to replace Israel with an Islamic Palestinian state. Then they're better off marching themselves into the desert and blowing themselves up.
Less chance of innocents ending up as collateral damage that way.
(Not that Hamas, their supporters or apologists care about that).
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 20:03:22 GMT
They could unilaterally declare a cease fire for a period of time after which they would release a few named hostages ... with the threat of executing them if Israel breaks the cease fire. They could repeat this for a prolonged period of time. And Israel could threaten to shoot 10 Hamas prisoners every day until they surrender. But that won't happen either. Israel will have to prosecute the war to remove Hamas as a threat. I'm not sure that is even completely possible. Once the current truce is over they will continue to destroy Hamas, and will have to do their best to not kill the hostages and not kill the good Palestinians. That is, the ones who were cheering Hamas as every vehicle with hostages left Gaza. |
|
|
|
Post by Ripley on Nov 29, 2023 20:05:33 GMT
For all I know, they may have more than one objective, but it appears their primary objective is to replace Israel with an Islamic Palestinian state. Then they're better off marching themselves into the desert and blowing themselves up.
Less chance of innocents ending up as collateral damage that way.
(Not that Hamas, their supporters or apologists care about that).
I don't think that Hamas are evaluating their options quite as objectively as those on the outside of the situation might. Their point of view is necessarily subjective, and they are apparently undeterred by slim odds because they're struggling for their survival. That's how both sides view this conflict. |
|
|
|
Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 29, 2023 20:18:03 GMT
That's how both sides view this conflict. I don't think it is: Hamas are ideologically dedicated to the eradication of Israel and the destruction of the Jews. Whereas Israelis just want to live in peace and are fighting for survival. |
|
|
|
Post by Ripley on Nov 29, 2023 20:22:52 GMT
That's how both sides view this conflict. I don't think it is: Hamas are ideologically dedicated to the eradication of Israel and the destruction of the Jews. Whereas Israelis just want to live in peace and are fighting for survival. I think both sides frame this as a fight for their survival. It's why they each want to annihilate the other. They see that as the only satisfactory conclusion. There isn't enough trust or goodwill between them to settle for a two state solution. |
|
|
|
Post by Pacifico on Nov 29, 2023 22:14:21 GMT
I don't think it is: Hamas are ideologically dedicated to the eradication of Israel and the destruction of the Jews. Whereas Israelis just want to live in peace and are fighting for survival. I think both sides frame this as a fight for their survival. It's why they each want to annihilate the other. They see that as the only satisfactory conclusion. There isn't enough trust or goodwill between them to settle for a two state solution. Well the Israelis are not going to eradicate all of the Palestinians because many of them live in Israel and the surrounding countries. On the other hand Hamas could eradicate all Israelis as they have nowhere else to go.. |
|
|
|
Post by seniorcitizen007 on Nov 29, 2023 22:15:23 GMT
"Turkey-Hamas collaboration is facilitated by SADAT, a private military contractor in Turkey led by an Islamist general with close ties to Erdogan. Israeli security officials believe that SADAT is responsible for supplying Hamas with weapons and materiel".
Erdogan described the current situation in Gaza as a "flare up".
Is Turkey's admission to the EU still being considered?
|
|
|
|
Post by Ripley on Nov 29, 2023 23:57:52 GMT
I think both sides frame this as a fight for their survival. It's why they each want to annihilate the other. They see that as the only satisfactory conclusion. There isn't enough trust or goodwill between them to settle for a two state solution. Well the Israelis are not going to eradicate all of the Palestinians because many of them live in Israel and the surrounding countries. On the other hand Hamas could eradicate all Israelis as they have nowhere else to go.. And about half of all Jews don't live in Israel, so it can hardly be said that they have nowhere else to go. Personally I believe that everyone deserves a homeland, but Netanyahu is not going to allow the Palestinians a state. |
|
|
|
Post by Pacifico on Nov 30, 2023 7:41:38 GMT
Well the Israelis are not going to eradicate all of the Palestinians because many of them live in Israel and the surrounding countries. On the other hand Hamas could eradicate all Israelis as they have nowhere else to go.. And about half of all Jews don't live in Israel, so it can hardly be said that they have nowhere else to go. Personally I believe that everyone deserves a homeland, but Netanyahu is not going to allow the Palestinians a state. No he is not - but we have had many Israeli leaders who did want to allow the Palestinians a State and their offers came to nowt.. Perhaps after all these refusals the 2 state solution is dead and constant low level attrition is now the norm. |
|
