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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2023 8:10:12 GMT
When it comes to corruption, you only need look at the UK government - Conservative ministers awarding millions of pounds worth of contracts for PPE to companies with other Tory MPs as directors and major shareholders, all done without any tendering process.
Probably the worst case of Tory corruption was the case of the Sheffield steel company ForgeMaster, where by a major Tory donor ( Andrew Cook ) who just happens to own a steel works, objected to an £80 million loan to his competitor. Withdrawing the loan was one of the first things David Cameron did after becoming Prime Minister.
That loan would have enabled ForgeMaster to purchase equipment to then tender for work in the nuclear power station industry.
AS FOR PUBLIC OPINION ON BREXIT
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Deltapoll 24 - 27 Nov ... REJOIN lead 12%
We Think 23 - 24 Nov ... REJOIN lead 17%
Deltapoll 15 - 20 Nov ... REJOIN lead 9%
Omnisis 16 - 17 Nov ... REJOIN lead 13%
Deltapoll 10 - 13 Nov ... REJOIN lead 11%
Omnisis 9 - 10 Nov ... REJOIN lead 16%
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 4, 2023 8:19:02 GMT
Do you know families where family-members have stopped talking to each other because of opposing views on Brexit? I've heard there are many such cases. If so, not very strong families if some politics causes people to fall out. There was one individual who divorced his wife when he found out she had voted for Brexit. well, there couldn’t have been much holding them together… |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 4, 2023 8:23:46 GMT
When it comes to corruption, you only need look at the UK government - Conservative ministers awarding millions of pounds worth of contracts for PPE to companies with other Tory MPs as directors and major shareholders, all done without any tendering process. Probably the worst case of Tory corruption was the case of the Sheffield steel company ForgeMaster, where by a major Tory donor ( Andrew Cook ) who just happens to own a steel works, objected to an £80 million loan to his competitor. Withdrawing the loan was one of the first things David Cameron did after becoming Prime Minister. That loan would have enabled ForgeMaster to purchase equipment to then tender for work in the nuclear power station industry. AS FOR PUBLIC OPINION ON BREXIT ------------------------------- Deltapoll 24 - 27 Nov ... REJOIN lead 12% We Think 23 - 24 Nov ... REJOIN lead 17% Deltapoll 15 - 20 Nov ... REJOIN lead 9% Omnisis 16 - 17 Nov ... REJOIN lead 13% Deltapoll 10 - 13 Nov ... REJOIN lead 11% Omnisis 9 - 10 Nov ... REJOIN lead 16% We don't need a government that is just as corrupt as the EU where they can rejoin and return to their same old ways, we need a government who represent the peoples rights and votes in this country. Rejoin is a politicians yet another sham. |
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 4, 2023 8:27:54 GMT
Not really interested in Sid's polls. Remainers or rejoiners have been hurt by polls before.
The only thing that matters are the facts: The UK is no longer a part of the EU. Polls won't change this.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 4, 2023 8:30:49 GMT
When it comes to corruption, you only need look at the UK government - Conservative ministers awarding millions of pounds worth of contracts for PPE to companies with other Tory MPs as directors and major shareholders, all done without any tendering process. Probably the worst case of Tory corruption was the case of the Sheffield steel company ForgeMaster, where by a major Tory donor ( Andrew Cook ) who just happens to own a steel works, objected to an £80 million loan to his competitor. Withdrawing the loan was one of the first things David Cameron did after becoming Prime Minister. That loan would have enabled ForgeMaster to purchase equipment to then tender for work in the nuclear power station industry. Horseshit - Andrew Cooks company was not in competition with Forgemasters, all he did was warn that the proposed loan would be illegal under EU Competition Law. A fact that Danny Alexander and Vince Cable (both LibDems) agreed with - and as they had responsibility for making the decision, not Cameron, that was that. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 4, 2023 9:27:01 GMT
When it comes to corruption, you only need look at the UK government - Conservative ministers awarding millions of pounds worth of contracts for PPE to companies with other Tory MPs as directors and major shareholders, all done without any tendering process. Probably the worst case of Tory corruption was the case of the Sheffield steel company ForgeMaster, where by a major Tory donor ( Andrew Cook ) who just happens to own a steel works, objected to an £80 million loan to his competitor. Withdrawing the loan was one of the first things David Cameron did after becoming Prime Minister. That loan would have enabled ForgeMaster to purchase equipment to then tender for work in the nuclear power station industry. AS FOR PUBLIC OPINION ON BREXIT ------------------------------- Deltapoll 24 - 27 Nov ... REJOIN lead 12% We Think 23 - 24 Nov ... REJOIN lead 17% Deltapoll 15 - 20 Nov ... REJOIN lead 9% Omnisis 16 - 17 Nov ... REJOIN lead 13% Deltapoll 10 - 13 Nov ... REJOIN lead 11% Omnisis 9 - 10 Nov ... REJOIN lead 16% You are talking total bollocks fiddles. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 4, 2023 9:35:21 GMT
Is it any wonder the EU can't wait for Labour to win the next GE, so they can breath a sigh of relief, Starmer will drag us back in to their dictatorship, undoing what progress we have made so far, and his reward, just like Blair, will be a nice cushy number within the EU.
It was always a fact the EU needed the UK more than we needed them, you can see the dirty tricks at play, rail strikes, blocking the Rwanda flights, all being staged by the remoaners in cahoots with the EU to discredit the Tories, and turn voters to Labour, well you can kiss goodbye to any new found freedoms from Brext if Labour get in, it will be back to the shackles for us.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2023 12:07:23 GMT
Brexit supporters are now in the minority, but we have to go along with democracy FOR NOW The children and young people of today will change Brexit sometime in the future Oh do you know each and every one of them fiddles? You talk utter bollocks. Actually he is probably spouting an accurate prediction. We will be back in the EU within 20 years, when most of you daft old duffers who wanted Brexit are gone, and the generations who didnt are running the country. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2023 12:18:30 GMT
Not really interested in Sid's polls. Remainers or rejoiners have been hurt by polls before. The only thing that matters are the facts: The UK is no longer a part of the EU. Polls won't change this. But future political decisions by governments heeding polls might. Because the power of polls is not the actual polls themselves but what they tell us - and tell politicians - about public opinion. Because if the polls keep showing decreasing levels of support for Brexit and growing support for Rejoining, the greater this grows, the more likely that some political party or other will curry support by responding to it. The demographics of who voted for what itself makes this likely as the years go by, with Brexit voters concentrated most heavily in old duffers in their twilight years whilst Remain voters were concentrated in younger people with many decades ahead. It does not take a mathematical genius with a degree in statistical analysis to figure out that Brexiteers were going to die out far more rapidly than Remain voters. 7 years after the referendum this is becoming ever more noticeable in polling. So you can bark at the moon as loudly as you like but time is not on your side on this one |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2023 12:20:32 GMT
When it comes to corruption, you only need look at the UK government - Conservative ministers awarding millions of pounds worth of contracts for PPE to companies with other Tory MPs as directors and major shareholders, all done without any tendering process. Probably the worst case of Tory corruption was the case of the Sheffield steel company ForgeMaster, where by a major Tory donor ( Andrew Cook ) who just happens to own a steel works, objected to an £80 million loan to his competitor. Withdrawing the loan was one of the first things David Cameron did after becoming Prime Minister. That loan would have enabled ForgeMaster to purchase equipment to then tender for work in the nuclear power station industry. AS FOR PUBLIC OPINION ON BREXIT ------------------------------- Deltapoll 24 - 27 Nov ... REJOIN lead 12% We Think 23 - 24 Nov ... REJOIN lead 17% Deltapoll 15 - 20 Nov ... REJOIN lead 9% Omnisis 16 - 17 Nov ... REJOIN lead 13% Deltapoll 10 - 13 Nov ... REJOIN lead 11% Omnisis 9 - 10 Nov ... REJOIN lead 16% You are talking total bollocks fiddles. Really? That is not a winning argument when he has actually posted evidence, whilst you have posted none in refutation of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2023 12:24:36 GMT
Why do you want to rejoin? Is it as shallow as getting one over on the Tories? It seems to be, which is why nobody can offer any good reasons for it. Much like they couldn't offer good reasons for remaining.
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Post by jonksy on Dec 4, 2023 12:25:27 GMT
You are talking total bollocks fiddles. Really? That is not a winning argument when he has actually posted evidence, whilst you have posted none in refutation of it. What evidence has he posted FFS? |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 4, 2023 12:26:09 GMT
Here is the news. The UK is not a member of the EU.
The rest is pipe dreams and wishful thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2023 12:33:28 GMT
The EU is a self-serving beast that useless career politicians want. Free movement screwed the UK, where the UK was actively being discouraged as an attraction, instead of raising the standards elsewhere in the eurozone. This is probably why so many socialists support it. Everything ends up equally poor and worse off, because that's where socialism thrives.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2023 12:37:59 GMT
Really? That is not a winning argument when he has actually posted evidence, whilst you have posted none in refutation of it. What evidence has he posted FFS? Are you blind? He posted the evidence from multiple polls. Do you think he just made that up? If so make the accusation, and risk looking stupid if he posts actual links to the polls themselves. Or else accept his evidence as it stands. Either way, to actually demonstrate that it is bollocks, merely saying it is bollocks in defiance of the evidence presented convinces no one. If you think his polling evidence is bollocks you need to challenge him on it and ask him to provide links to at least some of the polls themselves, or else you need evidence of your own to counter it If ever I am on trial for a crime I did not commit, remind me never to hire you as my legal representative. Because after the prosecution have laid out their case, you standing up and saying "it's all bollocks" without any evidence or logical line of reasoning demonstrating how will just be laughed out of court, lol |
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