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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2023 17:34:58 GMT
Stop making stuff up about my mind. It does no one any good. I'll post words which I use to try to represent my position. Don't try to strawman me, I'm far too forum savvy to be tripped up by your utter nonsense. I said "Anti-Israel is not anti-Semitism no matter how hard people want you to believe it is." You said "Utter nonsense in my opinion". Therefore you believe it is anti-Semitic to call out Israel's crimes. You are now going to be ignored. Goodbye. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 28, 2023 18:58:10 GMT
Given that you accept Hamas committed a war crime, what do you suppose Israel's response should have been? Yes, get Hamas but not by bombing the whole of the Gaza Strip killing 10s of thousands of innocent civilians, Israel have the most up to date weapons and 'spy' network in the world. I have answered you question will you now have the decency to answer mine. Would you have supported the British state indiscriminately bombing Northern Ireland to root out the IRA? Not a good comparison. In NI two communities existed with violent factions within each. In Gaza there are no Jews, or Israelis there are only Palestinians living. The Israelis ousted the illegal settlers. HAMAS come from within the Palestinian group, were politically supported by many, formed the government of Gaza and attacked a sovereign territory murdering, and murder is the operative word, its citizens. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2023 21:29:39 GMT
I said "Anti-Israel is not anti-Semitism no matter how hard people want you to believe it is." You said "Utter nonsense in my opinion". Therefore you believe it is anti-Semitic to call out Israel's crimes. You are now going to be ignored. Goodbye. Welcome aboard. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 28, 2023 23:09:44 GMT
I said "Anti-Israel is not anti-Semitism no matter how hard people want you to believe it is." You said "Utter nonsense in my opinion". Therefore you believe it is anti-Semitic to call out Israel's crimes. You are now going to be ignored. Goodbye. What is the point of logging on to a 'discussion' forum, to ignore people? Sounds a bit counterintuitive, but hey, it's your choice. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 5:05:45 GMT
I said "Anti-Israel is not anti-Semitism no matter how hard people want you to believe it is." You said "Utter nonsense in my opinion". Therefore you believe it is anti-Semitic to call out Israel's crimes. You are now going to be ignored. Goodbye. No denial then.😔 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 5:12:21 GMT
Yes, get Hamas but not by bombing the whole of the Gaza Strip killing 10s of thousands of innocent civilians, Israel have the most up to date weapons and 'spy' network in the world. I have answered you question will you now have the decency to answer mine. Would you have supported the British state indiscriminately bombing Northern Ireland to root out the IRA? Not a good comparison. In NI two communities existed with violent factions within each. In Gaza there are no Jews, or Israelis there are only Palestinians living. The Israelis ousted the illegal settlers. HAMAS come from within the Palestinian group, were politically supported by many, formed the government of Gaza and attacked a sovereign territory murdering, and murder is the operative word, its citizens. Hamas are violent. Palestinian people are, on the whole, peaceful. The people living in Gaza are refugee ousted from their homes by Israeli occupation of their lands. The UK government proscribed the IRA as a terrorist organisation as many countries did. The Israeli government proscribed Hamas as a terrorist organisation as many countries have. Comparisons everywhere. You call it a bad comparison because you know the answer is 'no' you would not have supported the wholesale bombing of NI to root out the IRA but you consider Palestinian life as something less. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 29, 2023 8:04:27 GMT
Not a good comparison. In NI two communities existed with violent factions within each. In Gaza there are no Jews, or Israelis there are only Palestinians living. The Israelis ousted the illegal settlers. HAMAS come from within the Palestinian group, were politically supported by many, formed the government of Gaza and attacked a sovereign territory murdering, and murder is the operative word, its citizens. Hamas are violent. Palestinian people are, on the whole, peaceful. The people living in Gaza are refugee ousted from their homes by Israeli occupation of their lands. The UK government proscribed the IRA as a terrorist organisation as many countries did. The Israeli government proscribed Hamas as a terrorist organisation as many countries have. Comparisons everywhere. You call it a bad comparison because you know the answer is 'no' you would not have supported the wholesale bombing of NI to root out the IRA but you consider Palestinian life as something less. All I hear is a lot of people shouting the odds for whichever side they want to win, while it resonates around the world and is growing all the time, but when you ask anyone for their answer so it stops, nobody has one. The US will like everyone else keep talking about a two state solution then arm the Israelis even more. Which is the opposite of what they say, in the meantime the Israelis take more and more land, the Palestinians get led into more and more disaster, which really nobody gives a shit about apart from a few words at the UN. It is fairly obvious the right wing have only one answer the destruction of the Palestinians and give it all to Israel.The only way you will get a two state solution is by force from outside not from within. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 29, 2023 8:07:33 GMT
Hamas are violent. Palestinian people are, on the whole, peaceful. The people living in Gaza are refugee ousted from their homes by Israeli occupation of their lands. The UK government proscribed the IRA as a terrorist organisation as many countries did. The Israeli government proscribed Hamas as a terrorist organisation as many countries have. Comparisons everywhere. You call it a bad comparison because you know the answer is 'no' you would not have supported the wholesale bombing of NI to root out the IRA but you consider Palestinian life as something less. All I hear is a lot of people shouting the odds for whichever side they want to win, while it resonates around the world and is growing all the time, but when you ask anyone for their answer so it stops, nobody has one. The US will like everyone else keep talking about a two state solution then arm the Israelis even more. Which is the opposite of what they say, in the meantime the Israelis take more and more land, the Palestinians get led into more and more disaster, which really nobody gives a shit about apart from a few words at the UN. It is fairly obvious the right wing have only one answer the destruction of the Palestinians and give it all to Israel. The only way you will get a two state solution is by force from outside not from within. And how would you force the Palestinians to accept it?. It's easy to say that you can force peace from outside, rather harder to do. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 8:20:37 GMT
Hamas are violent. Palestinian people are, on the whole, peaceful. The people living in Gaza are refugee ousted from their homes by Israeli occupation of their lands. The UK government proscribed the IRA as a terrorist organisation as many countries did. The Israeli government proscribed Hamas as a terrorist organisation as many countries have. Comparisons everywhere. You call it a bad comparison because you know the answer is 'no' you would not have supported the wholesale bombing of NI to root out the IRA but you consider Palestinian life as something less. All I hear is a lot of people shouting the odds for whichever side they want to win, while it resonates around the world and is growing all the time, but when you ask anyone for their answer so it stops, nobody has one. The US will like everyone else keep talking about a two state solution then arm the Israelis even more. Which is the opposite of what they say, in the meantime the Israelis take more and more land, the Palestinians get led into more and more disaster, which really nobody gives a shit about apart from a few words at the UN. It is fairly obvious the right wing have only one answer the destruction of the Palestinians and give it all to Israel.The only way you will get a two state solution is by force from outside not from within. Serious talks need to be held between Israel and Hamas. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 29, 2023 8:21:14 GMT
All I hear is a lot of people shouting the odds for whichever side they want to win, while it resonates around the world and is growing all the time, but when you ask anyone for their answer so it stops, nobody has one. The US will like everyone else keep talking about a two state solution then arm the Israelis even more. Which is the opposite of what they say, in the meantime the Israelis take more and more land, the Palestinians get led into more and more disaster, which really nobody gives a shit about apart from a few words at the UN. It is fairly obvious the right wing have only one answer the destruction of the Palestinians and give it all to Israel. The only way you will get a two state solution is by force from outside not from within. And how would you force the Palestinians to accept it?. It's easy to say that you can force peace from outside, rather harder to do. Is it? firstly stop giving Israel billions of dollars without it having stipulations, secondly draw a line where Israel does not cross, stop rebuilding Gaza after the Israelis destroy it, without again having stipulations. Get sensible leaders around a table that are more concerned for their own peoples future than they are convincing the rest of the world they are the only ones in the right. Its called making a start. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 8:21:49 GMT
All I hear is a lot of people shouting the odds for whichever side they want to win, while it resonates around the world and is growing all the time, but when you ask anyone for their answer so it stops, nobody has one. The US will like everyone else keep talking about a two state solution then arm the Israelis even more. Which is the opposite of what they say, in the meantime the Israelis take more and more land, the Palestinians get led into more and more disaster, which really nobody gives a shit about apart from a few words at the UN. It is fairly obvious the right wing have only one answer the destruction of the Palestinians and give it all to Israel. The only way you will get a two state solution is by force from outside not from within. And how would you force the Palestinians to accept it?. It's easy to say that you can force peace from outside, rather harder to do. Acceptable borders through negotiation. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 29, 2023 8:23:00 GMT
And how would you force the Palestinians to accept it?. It's easy to say that you can force peace from outside, rather harder to do. Is it? firstly stop giving Israel billions of dollars without it having stipulations, secondly draw a line where Israel does not cross, stop rebuilding Gaza after the Israelis destroy it, without again having stipulations. Get sensible leaders around a table that are more concerned for their own peoples future than they are convincing the rest of the world they are the only ones in the right. Its called making a start. I notice that you completely avoided the question for some reason...wonder why..  |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 29, 2023 8:24:14 GMT
Is it? firstly stop giving Israel billions of dollars without it having stipulations, secondly draw a line where Israel does not cross, stop rebuilding Gaza after the Israelis destroy it, without again having stipulations. Get sensible leaders around a table that are more concerned for their own peoples future than they are convincing the rest of the world they are the only ones in the right. Its called making a start. I notice that you completely avoided the question for some reason...wonder why.. I guess you can only see what you want to see then as usual. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 29, 2023 8:24:32 GMT
And how would you force the Palestinians to accept it?. It's easy to say that you can force peace from outside, rather harder to do. Acceptable borders through negotiation. We have had numerous negotiations and suggested borders over the decades - the Palestinians have rejected each and. every one of them. In one case they rejected Israel having any land at all. Is that your solution - the destruction of Israel? |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 29, 2023 8:25:40 GMT
I notice that you completely avoided the question for some reason...wonder why.. I guess you can only see what you want to see then as usual. Well I want to see an answer to my question - I'll try again. How would you force the Palestinians to accept this peace deal of yours? |
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