|
|
Post by sandypine on Nov 27, 2023 16:40:24 GMT
Does that matter, the whole point was to stand against anti semitism and show solidarity. Robinson has every right to support that as anyone. Many people may disagree with Tatchel but his right was the same as everyone's but not Mr Robinson apparently. Yes I understand that but if the organisers felt that Robinson was going to hi Jack or become a distraction and the police responded to that , I have a little less objection to Robinson being ejected . Robinson posed as a journalist apparently . The police are not the private security force for any group, they are there to uphold the law as enacted. When the EDL were marching and they asked the police to stop antifa joining they would have been told to take a hike. Robinson is a minority, many may not think or act like him but his freedoms are every bit as existent as anyone else's. If we accept this act we know the police state is just round the corner yet we spent millions protecting foreign criminals and their 'rights'. This has become a joke. |
|
|
|
Post by sandypine on Nov 27, 2023 16:42:55 GMT
Did Tommy Robinson shout "Sieg Heil"? If so, shame on him. Did he hospitalise police officers? If so, shame on him. I think you will find the Sieg Heil was being shouted at the police who were acting like an arm of the state and blocking citizens from going about their lawful business. |
|
|
|
Post by Bentley on Nov 27, 2023 16:43:48 GMT
Yes I understand that but if the organisers felt that Robinson was going to hi Jack or become a distraction and the police responded to that , I have a little less objection to Robinson being ejected . Robinson posed as a journalist apparently . The police are not the private security force for any group, they are there to uphold the law as enacted. When the EDL were marching and they asked the police to stop antifa joining they would have been told to take a hike. Robinson is a minority, many may not think or act like him but his freedoms are every bit as existent as anyone else's. If we accept this act we know the police state is just round the corner yet we spent millions protecting foreign criminals and their 'rights'. This has become a joke. Good point. |
|
|
|
Post by sandypine on Nov 27, 2023 16:48:14 GMT
Lots of people have "got form". Tommy Robinson is not anti-Semitic, he is Anti-Islam, like Geert Wilders. People should have the right to go where they wish in public, peacefully. It wasn't a party at anyone's house. He was charged with "failing to comply with a direction to disperse." news.sky.com/story/tommy-robinson-charged-after-arrest-at-antisemitism-protest-13017498If he doesn't respect our laws he should piss off somewhere else right guys? Can one person 'disperse' and why would he have to disperse? There was no reason other than someone said they did not want him at their rally. If I recall EDL marches they had no choice who was near or throwing bottles at them at their rallies. |
|
|
|
Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 27, 2023 16:48:16 GMT
In all honest we shouldn't be having tens of thousands marching for any conflict outside of the UK, if they feel so strongly they should all go back to Israel and Palestine and let their feelings be known there, why should the British public be exposed to hostility from both sides when it's feck all to do with us. Why do you think British people are marching for peace in Gaza, because our taxes are paying for bombs to kill Palestinian men women and children. Over 700 children have had limbs amputated mostly without anaesthetic since the 7th October that's not counting the 3,500 dead and people still say "Israel has a right to defend itself". We are aiding and abetting war crimes and you call marches for peace, hate marches because a few go a little crazy. Well, according to you. |
|
|
|
Post by wapentake on Nov 27, 2023 16:52:16 GMT
Did Tommy Robinson shout "Sieg Heil"? If so, shame on him. Did he hospitalise police officers? If so, shame on him. I think you will find the Sieg Heil was being shouted at the police who were acting like an arm of the state and blocking citizens from going about their lawful business. And Ithink you’ll find that when people were shouting from the river to the sea you and others would condemn that. |
|
|
|
Post by sandypine on Nov 27, 2023 17:21:08 GMT
I think you will find the Sieg Heil was being shouted at the police who were acting like an arm of the state and blocking citizens from going about their lawful business. And Ithink you’ll find that when people were shouting from the river to the sea you and others would condemn that. To be honest I have not condemned it, I hold that freedoms are more important than subjective impressions of a phrase. I would however have expected that support for HAMAS would have received action by the law along similar lines to National Action. If we have laws we have to be consistent in their application. |
|
|
|
Post by wapentake on Nov 27, 2023 17:24:15 GMT
And Ithink you’ll find that when people were shouting from the river to the sea you and others would condemn that. To be honest I have not condemned it, I hold that freedoms are more important than subjective impressions of a phrase. I would however have expected that support for HAMAS would have received action by the law along similar lines to National Action. If we have laws we have to be consistent in their application. And that’s fair comment then,the police have now warned that chants and placards deemed racist or inciting hatred will result in action. Update if I misrepresented you I apologise. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 17:56:41 GMT
Why do you think British people are marching for peace in Gaza, because our taxes are paying for bombs to kill Palestinian men women and children. Over 700 children have had limbs amputated mostly without anaesthetic since the 7th October that's not counting the 3,500 dead and people still say "Israel has a right to defend itself". We are aiding and abetting war crimes and you call marches for peace, hate marches because a few go a little crazy. And your thoughts on Hamas terrorists attacking Israel on Oct 7? I have on many occasions stated quite clearly that what Hamas did was a war crime. That does not excuse Israel defending itself by slaughtering Palestinian civilians, maiming children, using white phosphorus and shrapnel shells. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 17:59:19 GMT
I rather thought the problem is what Hamas did and are still doing in Gaza. Out of curiosity, when 1400 of their citizens were raped, beheaded, murdered in the most foulest manner, when 250 or so were taken as hostages in terrifying and barbaric conditions, when the Palestinians have vowed to eradicate Israel, what do you feel would have been an appropriate response? When the last hostage has been released, then you will see exactly what capabilities the IDF have at their disposal, I suspect that you really will have something to be shrill about. As I said before " Never Again" is Government policy and the Israelis don't give a toss what Putin, Biden, Lord Slippery of Tripoli and all you lefties and Tehran think about it, Gaza won't have a brick left standing, and you can blame Hamas for that. I have said what I think about what Hamas did often. Joe Biden the most powerful leader in the western world lied when he said he had seen photos of beheaded children and the White House had to correct him. Do you support the slaughter of civilians then? |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 18:00:22 GMT
It's even uglier when it's spilling over in to countries that have no bearing on the conflict, we are hosting settlers of these countries but that does not mean they have a right to take over our peaceful country and make it their stomping ground, the law (if we have one) needs to make this very clear. We aren't a safe haven for political/religious sanctuary for those who think they can rebuild the UK a cultural Christian country, into it's own cultures and religions. ......... Not going to happen.
Now you are making anti-Semitic statements. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 18:01:55 GMT
Don't talk daft you are accusing everyone on the march of calling for a jihad and that is just not true, it was very, very few, the Palestinian march was to do with what Israel are doing in Gaza and it is understandable that some idiots lose their heads. As to anti-Semitism, that again unfortunately has become an overused smear where people are losing their livelihoods just for supporting peace and the cessation of a genocide. The anti-Semitism march was nothing to do with what is happening in Gaza but it was unfortunately a reflection of what is happening in the UK and across the western world. This is what a march for peace looks like. The Jews are not at war. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 18:02:45 GMT
Why do you think British people are marching for peace in Gaza, because our taxes are paying for bombs to kill Palestinian men women and children. Over 700 children have had limbs amputated mostly without anaesthetic since the 7th October that's not counting the 3,500 dead and people still say "Israel has a right to defend itself". We are aiding and abetting war crimes and you call marches for peace, hate marches because a few go a little crazy. Well, according to you. Look it up. You are the one that keeps lying, not me. |
|
|
|
Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 27, 2023 18:06:55 GMT
Look it up. You are the one that keeps lying, not me. You couldn't lie straight in bed, Wonky.
So I won't be taking your word for anything.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 18:12:07 GMT
Look it up. You are the one that keeps lying, not me. You couldn't lie straight in bed, Wonky.
So I won't be taking your word for anything.
Then stay ignorant. |
|
