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Post by piglet on Nov 25, 2023 16:03:08 GMT
Having read the Nigel Farage thread it seems that some people think hes racist, i dont think so, at all and has prompted me to post this. How can black people, or people of any colour accuse white people of racism while engaging in racism at every oppurtunity. For instance, black lives matter, Lenny Henry, the black police association, a white one cant join, and the overt promotion of black people on tv and in other walks of life, regardless of ability. My personal experience, more than once, is that black people have accused white people when a manager asked a black person to do some work....of being racist, that they are picked on because of their colour.
That is racist, whether the accused has done any work or not becomes unimportant, racist against the white person. Black lives matter think white people are racist just by existing, some are some are not, black racism is worse, we all are. White people take all this hate without confronting it.
Would it not have been better, healthier for all to acknowlege that some white people are racist, and those that are, are forgiven. Problem solved isnt it? While being blind to their own racism.
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Nov 26, 2023 9:20:41 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2023 9:20:41 GMT
Having read the Nigel Farage thread it seems that some people think hes racist, i dont think so, at all and has prompted me to post this. How can black people, or people of any colour accuse white people of racism while engaging in racism at every oppurtunity. For instance, black lives matter, Lenny Henry, the black police association, a white one cant join, and the overt promotion of black people on tv and in other walks of life, regardless of ability. My personal experience, more than once, is that black people have accused white people when a manager asked a black person to do some work....of being racist, that they are picked on because of their colour. That is racist, whether the accused has done any work or not becomes unimportant, racist against the white person. Black lives matter think white people are racist just by existing, some are some are not, black racism is worse, we all are. White people take all this hate without confronting it. Would it not have been better, healthier for all to acknowlege that some white people are racist, and those that are, are forgiven. Problem solved isnt it? While being blind to their own racism. Actually, there is nothing to stop a racist from being racially abused themselves. You appear to be confusing racism with 'levelling up' in the rest of your post. Take for example the black police association, black police officers have the same problems that white police officers have but have the additional problems of being black and racially abused from within and without the force, that is not racism against white people, it is common sense that there is a body to address those particular circumstances.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2023 9:38:40 GMT
Nige isn't racist. He distanced the UKIP away from those accused of racism. He wouldn't even go near Islamism.
If Nige is considered racist then the bar is set incredibly high. He's white and believes in the United Kingdom.
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Nov 26, 2023 9:42:51 GMT
Post by Hutchyns on Nov 26, 2023 9:42:51 GMT
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It doesn't immediately come over as common sense to the man in the street as to why a separate racially segregated association is required to address those circumstances. For instance within professional football it has overwhelmingly been black players who have received racial abuse, yet the black players have always worked within the one organisation, the Professional Footballers Association (PFA) to tackle, minimise, and eventually hope to eradicate the problem. A 'common sense' solution that required a Black PFA has never even come up for discussion as far as I'm aware.
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Nov 26, 2023 11:28:06 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2023 11:28:06 GMT
Red Rum It doesn't immediately come over as common sense to the man in the street as to why a separate racially segregated association is required to address those circumstances. For instance within professional football it has overwhelmingly been black players who have received racial abuse, yet the black players have always worked within the one organisation, the Professional Footballers Association (PFA) to tackle, minimise, and eventually hope to eradicate the problem. A 'common sense' solution that required a Black PFA has never even come up for discussion as far as I'm aware. I agree but there is/was never such a body within the police to 'kick out' racism.
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Nov 26, 2023 11:34:43 GMT
Post by piglet on Nov 26, 2023 11:34:43 GMT
Yes it is red. Racism from whatever race to whatever race is not addressed, white people are singled out. Black people who become culturally white, like the black conservative politicians are called coconuts or something similar. Can we have an association for that? Black people are overtly targeted so that they DO NOT assimilate, as mentioned, you cant get on a high horse then do the same thing. Can you? I grew up with an Italian first name and a russian second name.
I had two or three racist quips at school, wop, Ities being cowards. Like Hutchyns points out, some level of toleration and maturity is required. Having said that racism is now about political power, politicised, like black lives matter. Those top people now live in big houses in white areas. There is no basic decency in anything.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 26, 2023 11:51:22 GMT
The standard narrative (progressive variant) holds that racism = prejudice + power. Consequently only white people can be racist since nobody else has power.
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Nov 26, 2023 12:11:44 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2023 12:11:44 GMT
Yes it is red. Racism from whatever race to whatever race is not addressed, white people are singled out. Black people who become culturally white, like the black conservative politicians are called coconuts or something similar. Can we have an association for that? Black people are overtly targeted so that they DO NOT assimilate, as mentioned, you cant get on a high horse then do the same thing. Can you? I grew up with an Italian first name and a russian second name. I had two or three racist quips at school, wop, Ities being cowards. Like Hutchyns points out, some level of toleration and maturity is required. Having said that racism is now about political power, politicised, like black lives matter. Those top people now live in big houses in white areas. There is no basic decency in anything. Racism is a curse wherever it is found and should be called out but when the term is misused, like anti-Semitism, it becomes meaningless. Redressing an imbalance is not racism just because it affects a certain part of society, it is intended to eliminate 'unfairness' in the system that exists. Who politicised 'black lives matter'?
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Nov 26, 2023 12:12:27 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2023 12:12:27 GMT
The standard narrative (progressive variant) holds that racism = prejudice + power. Consequently only white people can be racist since nobody else has power. That is ridiculous.
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Nov 26, 2023 12:25:49 GMT
Post by Dan Dare on Nov 26, 2023 12:25:49 GMT
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Nov 26, 2023 14:47:50 GMT
Post by sandypine on Nov 26, 2023 14:47:50 GMT
Yes it is red. Racism from whatever race to whatever race is not addressed, white people are singled out. Black people who become culturally white, like the black conservative politicians are called coconuts or something similar. Can we have an association for that? Black people are overtly targeted so that they DO NOT assimilate, as mentioned, you cant get on a high horse then do the same thing. Can you? I grew up with an Italian first name and a russian second name. I had two or three racist quips at school, wop, Ities being cowards. Like Hutchyns points out, some level of toleration and maturity is required. Having said that racism is now about political power, politicised, like black lives matter. Those top people now live in big houses in white areas. There is no basic decency in anything. Racism is a curse wherever it is found and should be called out but when the term is misused, like anti-Semitism, it becomes meaningless. Redressing an imbalance is not racism just because it affects a certain part of society, it is intended to eliminate 'unfairness' in the system that exists. Who politicised 'black lives matter'? Since you say racism is a curse could you define clearly what it is. People seem singularly unable to do that and body swerve such definitions. If you seek to 'redress an imbalance' because you do not like white folks then it is racism. Deciding what has been unfair and fair is at best extremely difficult and since human rights is predicated on the individual's relationship with the state if 'redressing the balance' in law works to that individual's disadvantage then it flies in the face of our insistence that human rights applies to all. Having it both ways does not work.
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Nov 26, 2023 15:04:17 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2023 15:04:17 GMT
Racism is a curse wherever it is found and should be called out but when the term is misused, like anti-Semitism, it becomes meaningless. Redressing an imbalance is not racism just because it affects a certain part of society, it is intended to eliminate 'unfairness' in the system that exists. Who politicised 'black lives matter'? Since you say racism is a curse could you define clearly what it is. People seem singularly unable to do that and body swerve such definitions. If you seek to 'redress an imbalance' because you do not like white folks then it is racism. Deciding what has been unfair and fair is at best extremely difficult and since human rights is predicated on the individual's relationship with the state if 'redressing the balance' in law works to that individual's disadvantage then it flies in the face of our insistence that human rights applies to all. Having it both ways does not work. Simple - Racism a hatred of any group based on their nationality, belief or colour and treating them differently because of it. Redressing an imbalance is not about 'hating or disliking' another group it is just saying that all groups should have equal opportunities based on what is normal and not being treated as less than another group. You obviously do not understand that some people are treated as less than others because they are different.
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Nov 26, 2023 16:00:04 GMT
Post by sandypine on Nov 26, 2023 16:00:04 GMT
Since you say racism is a curse could you define clearly what it is. People seem singularly unable to do that and body swerve such definitions. If you seek to 'redress an imbalance' because you do not like white folks then it is racism. Deciding what has been unfair and fair is at best extremely difficult and since human rights is predicated on the individual's relationship with the state if 'redressing the balance' in law works to that individual's disadvantage then it flies in the face of our insistence that human rights applies to all. Having it both ways does not work. Simple - Racism a hatred of any group based on their nationality, belief or colour and treating them differently because of it. Redressing an imbalance is not about 'hating or disliking' another group it is just saying that all groups should have equal opportunities based on what is normal and not being treated as less than another group. You obviously do not understand that some people are treated as less than others because they are different. If a person likes black people but thinks they are a bit slow so discriminates against them that is not racism? So people are not individuals they are always part of some leftish identified group that may or may not have been treated unequally by another loosely identified group. Some people are treated unequally take Simone Clarke ousted from being a prima ballerina because some people discriminated against her because she was part of a group that they did not like treating her less favourably because of her group identity. I think you may need to tighten your definition it swings about loosely and creates all sorts of uncertainties.
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Nov 26, 2023 20:13:01 GMT
Post by Red Rackham on Nov 26, 2023 20:13:01 GMT
The standard narrative (progressive variant) holds that racism = prejudice + power. Consequently only white people can be racist since nobody else has power. That is ridiculous. Redders a question: Example 1. A young white man applies to join the police. Without an interview he is told that all places for white entrants have been taken and invited to reapply in two years time. Example 2. A young black man applies to join the police. Without an interview he is told that all places for black entrants have been taken and invited to reapply in two years time. In your opinion, would you say either of the above examples are in any way racist?
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Nov 26, 2023 21:09:53 GMT
Post by dappy on Nov 26, 2023 21:09:53 GMT
Both would be racism.
Both would be illegal.
Neither would ever happen.
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