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Nov 27, 2023 11:29:37 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 11:29:37 GMT
Redders a question: Example 1. A young white man applies to join the police. Without an interview he is told that all places for white entrants have been taken and invited to reapply in two years time. Example 2. A young black man applies to join the police. Without an interview he is told that all places for black entrants have been taken and invited to reapply in two years time. In your opinion, would you say either of the above examples are in any way racist? I have an answer but do not have the inclination to answer since I never receive an answer to questions on this board.
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Nov 27, 2023 11:33:31 GMT
Post by Vinny on Nov 27, 2023 11:33:31 GMT
All too often anti Semitic racism rears its head in the UK.
High time it was stamped out.
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Nov 27, 2023 11:36:21 GMT
Post by Red Rackham on Nov 27, 2023 11:36:21 GMT
Redders a question: Example 1. A young white man applies to join the police. Without an interview he is told that all places for white entrants have been taken and invited to reapply in two years time. Example 2. A young black man applies to join the police. Without an interview he is told that all places for black entrants have been taken and invited to reapply in two years time. In your opinion, would you say either of the above examples are in any way racist? I have an answer but do not have the inclination to answer since I never receive an answer to questions on this board. Ha, you have an answer but you're not telling me'! Grow up ffs.
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Nov 27, 2023 11:49:58 GMT
Post by dappy on Nov 27, 2023 11:49:58 GMT
Red
I have answered your question above. Could you answer mine please.
Do you understand that it would be illegal for any employer to restrict JOBS to those of a certain race (regardless of which race) (except in a vanishingly small number of very very special circumstances)?
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Nov 27, 2023 13:27:10 GMT
Post by dappy on Nov 27, 2023 13:27:10 GMT
It seems given that Red remains active on the forum, that keen as he is for others to answer his question, he is curiously reticent to answer mine. How odd.....
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Nov 27, 2023 19:21:55 GMT
Post by dappy on Nov 27, 2023 19:21:55 GMT
Seems clear that Red is not going to answer the question I asked him. I'll leave others to draw their own conclusions.
One other question that I will ask with little expectation of an answer.
Red you are obsessed with the notion that somehow black people get a better deal in life than white people. May I ask if this paranoia started with the misunderstanding over your son's failure to get a job with Dorset Police or did it predate this "incident"
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Nov 28, 2023 17:31:19 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2023 17:31:19 GMT
I have an answer but do not have the inclination to answer since I never receive an answer to questions on this board. Ha, you have an answer but you're not telling me'! Grow up ffs. Fair enough as usual I will answer you question but I do not expect reciprocal decency from you. Both situations can be seen as racist or not racist depending on your view point. In example 1 a white person having been refused could consider it a racist policy, on the other hand they may consider it is a sensible policy for given the need for equality across the spectrum. In example 2 a black person having been refused could consider it a racist policy, on the other hand they may consider it is a sensible policy for given the need for equality across the spectrum. A black person could consider it racist because they are black and a white person could consider it racist because they are white. You also have the point whereas a white person could consider it racist because they are entitled to a job because they are white and born in this country. Is it racist, isn't it racist is not a simple question and a simple answer is not possible but I have tried, will you. What do you think the answer is? (please note the question mark).
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Nov 28, 2023 17:31:46 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2023 17:31:46 GMT
Red I have answered your question above. Could you answer mine please. Do you understand that it would be illegal for any employer to restrict JOBS to those of a certain race (regardless of which race) (except in a vanishingly small number of very very special circumstances)? Yes.
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Nov 28, 2023 17:33:31 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2023 17:33:31 GMT
It seems given that Red remains active on the forum, that keen as he is for others to answer his question, he is curiously reticent to answer mine. How odd..... What question have you asked me?
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Nov 28, 2023 17:43:32 GMT
Post by dappy on Nov 28, 2023 17:43:32 GMT
Sorry my fault. I was asking Red Rackham a question (which he ran away from anyway) not yourself Red Rum.
Red Rackham brings up every now and then that not only did the Dorset Police illegally racially discriminate against his son (unlikley but conceivable) but they also TOLD him they had done so (simply didn't happen but Red's story depends on this lie).
By now he knows full well it's a lie but nonetheless he keeps bringing it up pretending its true and then runs away when his lie is again highlighted. Very odd behaviour.
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Nov 28, 2023 17:48:18 GMT
Post by Dogburger on Nov 28, 2023 17:48:18 GMT
Since you say racism is a curse could you define clearly what it is. People seem singularly unable to do that and body swerve such definitions. If you seek to 'redress an imbalance' because you do not like white folks then it is racism. Deciding what has been unfair and fair is at best extremely difficult and since human rights is predicated on the individual's relationship with the state if 'redressing the balance' in law works to that individual's disadvantage then it flies in the face of our insistence that human rights applies to all. Having it both ways does not work. Simple - Racism a hatred of any group based on their nationality, belief or colour and treating them differently because of it. Redressing an imbalance is not about 'hating or disliking' another group it is just saying that all groups should have equal opportunities based on what is normal and not being treated as less than another group. You obviously do not understand that some people are treated as less than others because they are different. Racism is used wrongly too much as you have here ,which only dilutes the real incidents when real racism appears .
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Nov 28, 2023 19:24:16 GMT
Post by sandypine on Nov 28, 2023 19:24:16 GMT
Ha, you have an answer but you're not telling me'! Grow up ffs. Fair enough as usual I will answer you question but I do not expect reciprocal decency from you. Both situations can be seen as racist or not racist depending on your view point. In example 1 a white person having been refused could consider it a racist policy, on the other hand they may consider it is a sensible policy for given the need for equality across the spectrum. In example 2 a black person having been refused could consider it a racist policy, on the other hand they may consider it is a sensible policy for given the need for equality across the spectrum. A black person could consider it racist because they are black and a white person could consider it racist because they are white. You also have the point whereas a white person could consider it racist because they are entitled to a job because they are white and born in this country. Is it racist, isn't it racist is not a simple question and a simple answer is not possible but I have tried, will you. What do you think the answer is? (please note the question mark). In both cases individuals are discriminated against because of their race. If we look at the Universal declaration of human rights we find.. Article 2 Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Bear in mind the UDHR if signed is a binding contract between our government and our people and as such no laws should be made that contravenes the Declaration and specifically 'without distinction of any kind'. What you have set out is a reason why racial discrimination can be applied but having what you believe is a good reason still makes it racial discrimination by the State which directly contravenes this article and should be illegal.
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Nov 28, 2023 20:15:44 GMT
via mobile
Post by dappy on Nov 28, 2023 20:15:44 GMT
It is
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Nov 28, 2023 22:27:27 GMT
Post by Pacifico on Nov 28, 2023 22:27:27 GMT
Sorry my fault. I was asking Red Rackham a question (which he ran away from anyway) not yourself Red Rum. Red Rackham brings up every now and then that not only did the Dorset Police illegally racially discriminate against his son (unlikley but conceivable) but they also TOLD him they had done so ( simply didn't happen but Red's story depends on this lie). How do you know it didn't happen - are you privvy to all the details of the case?. Sounds to me (and I don't know the details) that Dorset Police were doing exactly the same as the Royal Air Force and fast-tracking ethnic minority recruits into training slots at the expense of White recruits. Why are you sure this never happened?
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Nov 28, 2023 22:46:41 GMT
Post by seniorcitizen007 on Nov 28, 2023 22:46:41 GMT
Racism by black people towards white people is not racism ... its racial prejudice ... only white people can be racist. So I was told by a policeman.
When I was talking to a black Camden Council adult social care complaints officer about the behaviour of a black staff member at the Sheltered Housing Scheme I was living in she, after listening to me for a few minutes, said: "Black people cannot be racist!" I hadn't told her he was black. I hadn't identified him by name. I simply described his behaviour ... his mannerism, etc. She carried on:"Black people are being oppressed all over the world!"
I gave up on her and later contacted the other adult social care complaints officer ... and found myself being subjected to hostile behaviour by a woman from Pakistan.
I then spoke to a Westminster Council adult social care complaints officer ... who was white. He completely understood my predicament.
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