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Post by zanygame on Dec 7, 2023 23:20:21 GMT
Or maybe I want to stop immigration and see admitting we will need to pay more tax to do it is the answer. The fact I added it also creates cheap labour and a housing shortage, might give a clue to my intent. I don't see it like that. I appreciate the nods you make to reality, but they are punctuated by things that just look odd. The other suggestion you made is that we build over the greenbelt - which wont lower immigration. You also have a preference for an even more gigantically bloated state sector and you need taxes raised for that. Raising taxes wont lower immigration, but it will increase the size of the state. I don't care how you see it. I don't lie, if I was in favour of immigration I would say so. My suggestions that we build on the green belt are to solve the already existing housing shortage. Something you fail to even recognise. I even asked you if you thought we could send those we've already invited to live here back home. But as I said so many times, you have already decided what I'm saying so I don't need to post. |
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Post by Orac on Dec 8, 2023 0:28:14 GMT
I don't see it like that. I appreciate the nods you make to reality, but they are punctuated by things that just look odd. The other suggestion you made is that we build over the greenbelt - which wont lower immigration. You also have a preference for an even more gigantically bloated state sector and you need taxes raised for that. Raising taxes wont lower immigration, but it will increase the size of the state. I don't care how you see it. I don't lie, if I was in favour of immigration I would say so. My suggestions that we build on the green belt are to solve the already existing housing shortage. Something you fail to even recognise. I even asked you if you thought we could send those we've already invited to live here back home. But as I said so many times, you have already decided what I'm saying so I don't need to post. Okay. So you have ideas that would, in current circumstances, increase immigration ( ie increase the number of people who can be accommodated and increase public sector employment). Do you have an suggestions on how it might be reduced? Is there any currently circulating proposal to reduce immigration that you support? |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 8, 2023 7:40:49 GMT
I don't care how you see it. I don't lie, if I was in favour of immigration I would say so. My suggestions that we build on the green belt are to solve the already existing housing shortage. Something you fail to even recognise. I even asked you if you thought we could send those we've already invited to live here back home. But as I said so many times, you have already decided what I'm saying so I don't need to post. Okay. So you have ideas that would, in current circumstances, increase immigration ( ie increase the number of people who can be accommodated and increase public sector employment). Do you have an suggestions on how it might be reduced? Sorry? how does building enough houses for the current population increase immigration. If you stop letting people in then you would either have enough houses or empty houses. I am not aware of any, though both Tories and Labour claim they want to reduce it. |
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Post by Orac on Dec 8, 2023 8:39:19 GMT
If you increase the amount of housing, you increase the UK's attractiveness for immigration. If you increase the size of the public sector, you also increase the UK's attractiveness for immigration (make work political jobs)
You are also not aware of any immigration reduction policy that you (would) support, and so the above policies could only act to increase immigration.
Do you see how it looks?
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 8, 2023 9:39:17 GMT
I don't see it like that. I appreciate the nods you make to reality, but they are punctuated by things that just look odd. The other suggestion you made is that we build over the greenbelt - which wont lower immigration. You also have a preference for an even more gigantically bloated state sector and you need taxes raised for that. Raising taxes wont lower immigration, but it will increase the size of the state. I don't care how you see it. I don't lie, if I was in favour of immigration I would say so. My suggestions that we build on the green belt are to solve the already existing housing shortage. Something you fail to even recognise. I even asked you if you thought we could send those we've already invited to live here back home. But as I said so many times, you have already decided what I'm saying so I don't need to post. Oh our foreign visitors would love that, instead of putting them in concrete jungles that they have contributed to, we put them in lovely leafy high end areas.
If it wasn't for the fact we've been invaded with migrants we would not need to build houses on the scale we need to now, we are going to lose our greenbelt land to cater for outsiders, if we had no immigration our housing stock would have been more than sufficient for resident UK born and bred only.
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Post by jonksy on Dec 8, 2023 11:09:29 GMT
I don't care how you see it. I don't lie, if I was in favour of immigration I would say so. My suggestions that we build on the green belt are to solve the already existing housing shortage. Something you fail to even recognise. I even asked you if you thought we could send those we've already invited to live here back home. But as I said so many times, you have already decided what I'm saying so I don't need to post. Oh our foreign visitors would love that, instead of putting them in concrete jungles that they have contributed to, we put them in lovely leafy high end areas.
If it wasn't for the fact we've been invaded with migrants we would not need to build houses on the scale we need to now, we are going to lose our greenbelt land to cater for outsiders, if we had no immigration our housing stock would have been more than sufficient for resident UK born and bred only.
We are building houses as if they are going out of fashion. Funny enough though those who demand we build these extra houses never upgrade the infrastructure that is falling apart at the seams. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 8, 2023 11:18:11 GMT
Oh our foreign visitors would love that, instead of putting them in concrete jungles that they have contributed to, we put them in lovely leafy high end areas.
If it wasn't for the fact we've been invaded with migrants we would not need to build houses on the scale we need to now, we are going to lose our greenbelt land to cater for outsiders, if we had no immigration our housing stock would have been more than sufficient for resident UK born and bred only.
We are building houses as if they are going out of fashion. Funny enough though those who demand we build these extra houses never upgrade the infrastructure that is falling apart at the seams. Exactly, build build build for all the potential new foreign Labour voters, most of these new builds don't have any GPs, dentists, schools, shops anywhere near them, people are having to travel miles to the nearest facilities, there should be new laws forbidding any new builds unless they can provide evidence of sufficient infrastructure, not to mention we now know lots of these new builds that aren't crumbling and falling to bits, are build on flood plains.
GREED greed greed, and property developers backhanding the Labour run councils for planning permission, if Labour get in power we can kiss goodbye to our beautiful greenbelt spaces, they will be cram packed with none speaking English.
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Post by jonksy on Dec 8, 2023 11:38:18 GMT
We are building houses as if they are going out of fashion. Funny enough though those who demand we build these extra houses never upgrade the infrastructure that is falling apart at the seams. Exactly, build build build for all the potential new foreign Labour voters, most of these new builds don't have any GPs, dentists, schools, shops anywhere near them, people are having to travel miles to the nearest facilities, there should be new laws forbidding any new builds unless they can provide evidence of sufficient infrastructure, not to mention we now know lots of these new builds that aren't crumbling and falling to bits, are build on flood plains.
GREED greed greed, and property developers backhanding the Labour run councils for planning permission, if Labour get in power we can kiss goodbye to our beautiful greenbelt spaces, they will be cram packed with none speaking English.
Whilst the water companies are allowed to get away with dumping their efluent into our rivers, streams and oceans mate they have no desire to upgrade. All of the energy companies etc shy off from upgrading their over burdened systems as there is no profit in doing so. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 8, 2023 11:51:30 GMT
Exactly, build build build for all the potential new foreign Labour voters, most of these new builds don't have any GPs, dentists, schools, shops anywhere near them, people are having to travel miles to the nearest facilities, there should be new laws forbidding any new builds unless they can provide evidence of sufficient infrastructure, not to mention we now know lots of these new builds that aren't crumbling and falling to bits, are build on flood plains.
GREED greed greed, and property developers backhanding the Labour run councils for planning permission, if Labour get in power we can kiss goodbye to our beautiful greenbelt spaces, they will be cram packed with none speaking English.
Whilst the water companies are allowed to get away with dumping their efluent into our rivers, streams and oceans mate they have no desire to upgrade. All of the energy companies etc shy off from upgrading their over burdened systems as there is no profit in doing so. Makes you laugh, if Dave's man with a van removals fly tips his load he's hurled before the courts with massive fines and even a prison sentence, yet these water utility companies are dumping TONS of shit in to our waters, killing off fish, wildlife, not to mention a absolute health hazard to humans, imagine swimming in all this shit FFS. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 8, 2023 17:55:54 GMT
If you increase the amount of housing, you increase the UK's attractiveness for immigration. If you increase the size of the public sector, you also increase the UK's attractiveness for immigration (make work political jobs) It doesn't matter if you have a million empty luxury homes. What stop migrants coming is permission to come. My suggestion to increase the public sector if I ever made one, would be that we need more nurses and care home assistants. If anyone is to be allowed entry to the UK it would be people to do these jobs. But they would number in the few thousand. Is their one? I don't care how YOU think it looks, either take my words at face value or don't. AS I said I don't lie. I see no reason why if I supported immigration I would not say so. Your anal comments stating I want the world to live here just make intelligent conversation impossible. This site is just full of people with no real arguments pretending they didn't understand or playing stupid games to avoid answering. You pretending I think things I don't, Pacifico repeatedly pretending he doesn't understand the idea of immigration being a ponzi scheme. I know he's pretending because he never asks for explanation, just makes stupid comments about me being confused. And you two are Mods. The rest are worse. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 8, 2023 18:05:19 GMT
You pretending I think things I don't, Pacifico repeatedly pretending he doesn't understand the idea of immigration being a ponzi scheme. I know he's pretending because he never asks for explanation, just makes stupid comments about me being confused. Well you are confused in that you seem to really believe you know what my views are - and yet you are always wrong. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 8, 2023 18:32:18 GMT
If you increase the amount of housing, you increase the UK's attractiveness for immigration. If you increase the size of the public sector, you also increase the UK's attractiveness for immigration (make work political jobs) It doesn't matter if you have a million empty luxury homes. What stop migrants coming is permission to come. My suggestion to increase the public sector if I ever made one, would be that we need more nurses and care home assistants. If anyone is to be allowed entry to the UK it would be people to do these jobs. But they would number in the few thousand. Is their one? I don't care how YOU think it looks, either take my words at face value or don't. AS I said I don't lie. I see no reason why if I supported immigration I would not say so. Your anal comments stating I want the world to live here just make intelligent conversation impossible. This site is just full of people with no real arguments pretending they didn't understand or playing stupid games to avoid answering. You pretending I think things I don't, Pacifico repeatedly pretending he doesn't understand the idea of immigration being a ponzi scheme. I know he's pretending because he never asks for explanation, just makes stupid comments about me being confused. And you two are Mods. The rest are worse. The lack of permission does not seem to stop them as all they do is seek international permission and that is easily gained. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 8, 2023 19:07:05 GMT
You pretending I think things I don't, Pacifico repeatedly pretending he doesn't understand the idea of immigration being a ponzi scheme. I know he's pretending because he never asks for explanation, just makes stupid comments about me being confused. Well you are confused in that you seem to really believe you know what my views are - and yet you are always wrong. I'm not talking about your views. I am talking about your determination not to engage with mine. I do not believe you don't understand my point, I think you are avoiding it by using stupid comment. |
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Post by Orac on Dec 8, 2023 19:13:28 GMT
What stop migrants coming is permission to come. ..and building houses will be more or less pointless unless you stop people coming. So what proposals do you have to stop people coming? |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 8, 2023 19:16:21 GMT
What stop migrants coming is permission to come. ..and building houses will be more or less pointless unless you stop people coming. So what proposals do you have to stop people coming? There are not enough houses for the people already living here. You cannot possibly be unaware of that. |
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